Camber adjustment on lowered mk4's

[cus]

Hey, has anyone out there looked at camber kits for the rear on their mk4? When lowered, my Bora 4mo has got some serious negative camber going on, thinking its going to chew through tyres really quickly.

[Mr Messy]

There are plenty of shims and whatnot going around, but I've never used them. After replacing too many tyres on IRS-equipped Commodores on not likely too either.

[Treza360]

How much negative camber are we talking about here?
Rotating the tyres very regularly will definitely help out there, but yeah some adjustable control arms are an option as well.
Cheers,
Trent

[Lorinser]

I was actually thinking about this the other day. Is it possible to adjust camber on 4motions? Thought I read somewhere it can't be done that easily...

[cus]

talking 4-5 degrees I'd say at a guess, although I'm going to get an alignment done again tomorrow so I'll get an accurate figure then. Just strikes me as bizarre that there is so much camber when its only been lowered an inch or so. And no, apparently there is virtually no camber adjustment on the bora 4mo, only toe in/out.

[gpk_gti]

its only lowered 1 inch?? and you have -4 degrees camber??????



my golf is more than 1 inch lower,dub20v and shami are lower than me,and we all dont have such negative camber.infact,id say the negative camber would be minimal.
who fitted the lowered spring? what brand springs? have you done any other alterations to the suspension???

is the suspension set up on the 4motion that much different to the fwd bolf?

I wouldnt think so.

[Treza360]

Yeah that is an excessive amount. I don't know whether the setup is similar to the R instead of the normal golf but still. With about a 30mm drop or so i've now got between -2 and -2.5 degrees now.
Where did you get your alignment done? Just wondering if they're machine is out of calibration or someting, I really wouldn't have thought it would change that much.

[cus]

springs are H&R's, and they were fitted by Pedders.

I had swapped back to the OEM springs about six months ago as the car was being driven by others and I was sick of having to replace the plastic cover on the bottom of the engine when they drove over something the shouldn't have.

But I couldn't help but switch back to the lower springs... so its at Pedders again right not getting them put back in. They're doing an alignment as well of course, so I'll know for sure what the camber is when I get it back this afternoon...

[sukebe]

hey cus, Ive got the same problem. I have fitted the R32 Euro suspension kit to my Bora 4motion. It only lowered about 1inch (still more than 1 inch between tyre and guard) but the rear wheels are very negative now. The outer 3-4cm of the tyre tread doesn't even touch the ground. There is a fair bit of toe-in as well which should negate a lot of tyre scrubbing, but I only have about 500km on my new wheels and tyres and I can already notice a difference in tread wear. Will need to rotate every 1000km!!

gpk_gti, the rear suspension setup is completely different due to the 4motion system.

Its impossible for me to tell by eye whether it has 2,3,4 degrees of negative camber, but it is more than I think it should be.

[schoona]

I know this is bothering you guys (IE. serious problem) but can we have some pics :biggrin:

[Lorinser]

Yeah post pics... i'll put some up later

Unlike everyone else here i want to increase the camber on mine, and it's already pretty massive lol :duh:

[schoona]

Yep...something about increasing neg camber gives me a bit of a twitch :biggrin:

[cus]

I'll post some photos tonight too after I pick the car up from Pedders...

[gpk_gti]

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gpk_gti, the rear suspension setup is completely different due to the 4motion system.

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yeah<i spoke to adrian the other day about this and he informed me I was wrong,although the description the oe has posted is a bit excessive.sounds as though something has been put out of whack!

[schoona]

I can't understand how the differences between a bora4mo and .: would be too drastic either...?

Either way, something doesn't sound right on installation.

Edit: felt like looking at some solid neg camber. found
http://www.bobhindsonracinginc.com/read.asp?docid=617

that is listed for a B5 Audi, and i didnt nav the site. But maybe something on there to help gain/lose some camber.

and a little bit of "inspiration"
http://www.negativecamber.com/ridephotos/low9fo/312200733158AM98901.jpg

[Jmac]

Yeah that will be very noticeable to look at. Pics will show that for sure, cant really see where they can go wrong?? When you say you had it lowered, did you use brand new stuff???? There is a minor camber adjustment for the front which is by moving the subframe. Doesnt do too much though. Adjusting the rear is a pain. Even 2degrees is a getting there

[cus]

OK, so I just got the car back (they ended up having to keep it overnight)... The numbers tell the story more than the pics, its quite hard to capture on camera... Rear has approx 3.4 degrees of negative camber, and 1.7mm of toe-in, so I'm guessing new tyres will be in order in about a week!

The guys at Pedders are going to try and get hold of some adjustable upper control arms to fix it, so will let you know how I go...

[DUB 20V]

you do know neuspeed,forge,black forest ind, all make the upper adj arms.

[cus]

thanks Dub20v, no i didn't know that actually, thanks. will check em out...

[Jmac]

Sure does show in the piccies mate
Good luck with that
Cheers
Jmac