Scirocco resto...

[roccodingo]

Well the time has come for one of my rocco's to be given a re birth...Managed to pick it up for $300 back in 2001...however it had to be stored up in Bindoon ( Brackie territory) for a few years..

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/79GLSe-1.jpg

The weather was really starting to get to the bodywork, so it has become a necessity to git er done NOW...

Had it trailered down early last week, then me and one of my sons began the task of stripping it down to a bare shell.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/brocco106-1.jpg

http://http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p305/brownrocc/brocco114.jpg

The plan at present is to have it blasted early december ( the bare shell) still thinking about doing a caustic dip yet, may wait and see how much tin worm is residing on the underside yet...

[roccodingo]

I have some better front guards, NOS bonnet, good used doors and a decent hatch to fit from the parts collection..as pretty well all the bolt on panels have had the S**t kicked out of them...

There is some areas of rust, the worse so far being the rear of the roof where the hatch seal lives...:( perforation....
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/brocco101-1.jpg

Still have'nt decided what powerplant / trans combo to fit yet, I have a few at hand...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/brocco110-1.jpg

or ....

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/brocco111-1.jpg

Whatever goes in It needs to be easy to re register as I cant BF with all the "engineering" details for doin a high HP set up to keep it legal ..

[GoLfMan]

looking great mate, keep us posted :)
is that a 1.8T sitting there? ;) go for the 1.8T is recon but it'd prob be more work?

[Golf Loon]

Got a bit of work there Grant. Might as well put a crazy motor in there if you are gonna do a full rebuild.

The RTA have changed the rules in Sydney again, so that any engine other than the prefix that originally came with the car requires engineering. So even if you put a later 1.6 into a 1.6 Golf, you should get it engineered!

[syncro]

Got a bit of work there Grant. Might as well put a crazy motor in there if you are gonna do a full rebuild.

The RTA have changed the rules in Sydney again, so that any engine other than the prefix that originally came with the car requires engineering. So even if you put a later 1.6 into a 1.6 Golf, you should get it engineered!

If the Scirocco is a private import it doesn't matter.

The engine pefix rule has been in for 30 years. Sometimes they stick to it and sometimes they don't.:???:

[Golf Loon]

If the Scirocco is a private import it doesn't matter.

The engine pefix rule has been in for 30 years. Sometimes they stick to it and sometimes they don't.:???:

I think they have tightened it up. My blue slip guy wouldn`t register one recently for that reason, so I went elsewhere and they ended up loosing their blue slip licence! May not have been my fault, but may have been :?

The private import thing is interesting, My Mk2 rocco is a personal import and I wanna chuch the old 1.6 carby motor and stick in something more tasty, but I want to avoid engineering. I`m gonna do more research then.

Sorry to hijack your thread roccodingo

[roccodingo]

looking great mate, keep us posted :)
is that a 1.8T sitting there? ;) go for the 1.8T is recon but it'd prob be more work?

Yeah, needs a lot of work, but out of all the cars I have it requires the least...if u get my drift..

Engine choices are 1.8 T aww ( 150 HP), 1.8 16 V (KR), 1.8 8v (DX) or 2.0 8v (2E)

Trans choices are O2A, O2J, O2M ( 6 speed), O2O Close ratio or wide ratio.

for the minute thinking the KR and either the O2A or J cable shift. Will be looking at a seqishift selector..

got 280 front vented discs and a rear disc set up ...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/discreare-1.jpg

[roccodingo]

Got a bit of work there Grant. Might as well put a crazy motor in there if you are gonna do a full rebuild.

The RTA have changed the rules in Sydney again, so that any engine other than the prefix that originally came with the car requires engineering. So even if you put a later 1.6 into a 1.6 Golf, you should get it engineered!

well usually anything other than the same displacement or number of cylinders requires "engineering", but i have yet to get confirmation from the coppers here in the west.:confused:

[syncro]

How do they know what engines Sciroccos have?
Tell them VR6s were an option.

[Golf Loon]

How do they know what engines Sciroccos have?
Tell them VR6s were an option.

You can do that if it is a fresh import, but once it has been registered with an engine in NSW, I reckon you would have to engineer any changes.

Or get a number stamp kit ;)

[syncro]

How do they know what size engine a KR (eg) is? If it wasn't sold in Australia they don't know.

You can put any optional engine in.

[gotrice]

I know a guy here in the ACT who recently registered a MK1 Rocco with a crazy injected 1.8KR (quad throttle boddies, aftermarket ECU, race buckets, fibreglass front end, more crazy stuff like that but I too lazy to type it) and he told the RTA that it came factory with a injected 1.8 (when they only ever came out with a 1.5) and they said, "...uh...OK" coz they are too dumb to know any better and there is no doco on Roccos that they can say is "Official" and its now registered and scares everything else off the road. Ha hah.

[syncro]

But they did come out with 1.8s (and 1.6s).

[Golf Loon]

I think most if not all Mk1 roccos were 1.6 or less syncro. The changeover year for Scirocco Mk1 - 2 is 1981 and I reckon they save the 1.8 for the updated cars.

[golf3]

Go the 1.8T for sure!!!
I would've done that conversion if it wasn't for the cost of them!!!

For my transplant, all i required was a receipt for the motor, and I.D, and my rego went from 2E to ABF...

How original are you making the rocco?
Daily drivable or more show car style???

[syncro]

Yeh, you're right Matt, the 1,8 came out in the '82 model. Largest engine in the Scirocco 1 was 1,7. But the RTA wouldn't know the difference.

[roccodingo]

How original are you making the rocco?
Daily drivable or more show car style???

The car will be finished with blacked out trim ( ala US 'S' style) instead of the chrome, paint will be same as the test painted guard in the image below.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/brocco116-1.jpg

Main purpose of the car will be as a regular driver and to have some low level motoring event fun in...

Spent Sunday stripping out the rest of the interior, wiring, carpet, sound deadening etc, floor was in reasonable shape in respect to panel damage, and in good shape with little rust inside..

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/brocco123-1.jpg

Hopefully will get the engine out early this week, then to fab up a rotisserie and get into the underside...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/10/brocco126-1.jpg

Was suprised at the lack of rot around the front screen frame...excepting the wiper motor hole...

[Golf Loon]

Looking good Grant, keep up the good work.

[golf3]

Sweet colour!!

I wish my father was interested in cars...i don't even have a carport...:(

[86gti]

how did ya go lastnight?
start getting motor out?....i got no reply on the ATS classics as yet.

[aprr32]

Grant, you look as grey as me, must have something to do with owning Scirocco's and trying to find parts to keep them together.

[roccodingo]

how did ya go lastnight?
start getting motor out?....i got no reply on the ATS classics as yet.

Give them a few days Benny, got some good news last nite regards shipping new parts VAT free but i'll tell u about that l8r..;)

engine is all but out, had to fix the work vehicle brakes last nite so no progress...

[roccodingo]

Grant, you look as grey as me, must have something to do with owning Scirocco's and trying to find parts to keep them together.

Think its from owning to many VW's over the years full stop....:D

[EndlessMKI]

Thats a mighty BIG play room you have there Grant : ).

Rear brake set up looks sweet!!!!

[Valver.]

Look forward to seeing this all done - will be a rare sight down here :)

[roccodingo]

Thats a mighty BIG play room you have there Grant : ).

Rear brake set up looks sweet!!!!

Hehehe, Its my industrial place Will, and it's pretty well chokkas now...

Did the rear axle work in 2002 as a night school project, ground and smoothed all the beam, then blast, plate and 2 pac painted it all. same with the front a arms and uprights except there now on the daily driver...;)

[roccodingo]

Look forward to seeing this all done - will be a rare sight down here :)

Thanks for the positive comments, Its going to take some time as you well know..;)

Have night school tonite, so the engine will be coming out probably on the weekend, still have the rear beam, fuel tank and exhaust to remove...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco131-1.jpg

The Bilsteins need rebuilding, can anyone confirm if Carline ?? are still the Australian agents for Bilstein ??

[brackie]

Try Discoveryauto in Wangara 93026680

[roccodingo]

Well not much happened over the weekend, Kids to cart around, house to clean not to mention working Saturday...:mad:

However did manage to remove the engine and the pesky front guard that had been "welded" on ... thanks previous owner...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco134-1.jpg

Will need to do some work with the front panel to get it upto an acceptable standard..

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco139-1.jpg

Still have the exhaust system to remove yet, "all welded from the downpipe to the tailpipe..." good stuff exhaust fitter...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco136-1.jpg

Looking for some steel to fab up a rotisserie this weekend, time allowing...

[GoLfMan]

dont you just love reversing the previous owners screw ups?

[roccodingo]

managed a bit more of the dissasembly process today..

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco143-1.jpg

crapped out shock bolts required use of the grinder + cut off wheel..

Once the rear axle was out of the way, the fully welded exhaust could then be removed from the scene...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco145-1.jpg

with the gear shift linkage, steering rack all removed, it's now a bare shell...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco149-1.jpg

So just converting the rotisserie drawings to metricated steel sizes, then I will fab up that contraption...

[GoLfMan]

looking good mate :)

[roccodingo]

Well the shell is stripped free of all parts, found a few more rust issues ( mostly minor) .
Have posted on the tex for some donor sheetmetal to repair the rust and damaged locations...( have some leads already...fingers crossed..:) )

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco155-1.jpg

getting this sorted will be the biggest job...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco151-1.jpg

but pretty happy with where it's at so far..

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2006/11/brocco160-1.jpg

Just found a good panel shop to Pull the 80 Storm front round for me also..( rhs of last pic..)

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[brackie]

How do you intend dealing with the rust in the "A" pillar?

[vinderliker]

What were the rims did you have on it? They looked like the Enkeis' I have on my Little Beastie.

[roccodingo]

How do you intend dealing with the rust in the "A" pillar?

Attempting to get some rust free parts cut from damaged US cars.. think the A pillar is the outer skin only ( 3 pieces in there)

.

[roccodingo]

What were the rims did you have on it? They looked like the Enkeis' I have on my Little Beastie.


had 2 x BBS RA , and the others were the standard GTI rims for the period ( 1980) same as those you were looking at but 1/2 " wider.

[vinderliker]

I have just borrowed a book from the local library caled VW Golf and derivatives by John Blunnsden. It has great pics on the Scirrocco. In fact it has inspired my to track one down one day. Not being Aussie delivered (i think), how would you go about getting one?

James

[roccodingo]

I have just borrowed a book from the local library caled VW Golf and derivatives by John Blunnsden. It has great pics on the Scirrocco. In fact it has inspired my to track one down one day. Not being Aussie delivered (i think), how would you go about getting one?

James

What model are you after James, Mk1 or MK2.. Loon had a lead on a MK 2 in NSW somewhere..

Matty , where are the piccies mate ?? ;)

[Golf Loon]

There is one in Melbourne with a hit up the back. Nice car tho.
See the classifieds on here.

And there is a 1982 one in a field in Sydney that I know of.

[vinderliker]

Thanks guys, reading a bit further a Scirroco GTX looks and sounds the biz by the specs. A Corrado VR6 also looks pretty cool as well. I suppose to get a decent one of either, besides through you all, a personal import would be the go.
Oh well dream for the moment and just concerntrate on getting the best out of the Little Beastie as I can with all of your collective knowledge.

[roccodingo]

Well after much time organising steel, cutting the stuff ( my power saw at a different location :mad: ) finally have got the rotator tack welded together, need to shoot over to the scrap yard to pick some offcuts up for the rotating joint yet tho ( closed til the 8th..more madness)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/rot2.jpg

Plan on welding it fully sunday , pick up some castors Saturday sometime..

[roccodingo]

Well after a few weeks abroad, I have no excuse to get back into the rocco project...

Visited some rocco bretheren whilst in the UK...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/roccocentraldronfield.jpg

Andy is building up a Mk1 1.8T....
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/ellie1.jpg

looking good with a huge amount of attention to details ( factory clamps, brackets etc..)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/roccocentraldronfield3.jpg

The red MK 2 is destined to have almost all its innards sent here ...trans, fuel system complete, TSW wheels , wiring . Pity these cars are so cheap in europe now, cant give them away......

[roccodingo]

Of course couldnt let the opportunity for a scavenge at some of the local breakers be lost either....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/breakers5.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/breakers4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/breakers1.jpg

The DE headlamps will be coming this way for one of the rocco's in the stable..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/londonrocco.jpg

Spied this MK2 going down Birdcage walk in London......

[brackie]

Must have been a great trip (if as bit chilly :rolleyes: ) It looks like there are still a lot of them about. How's the rotator going?

[alex g]

the bag must have been heavy on the way home lol

the rotator looks great are you mounting it up on the bumper mounts??

[Water Boy]

Looking at that Goldy Bronze Rocco makes me want one bad... I can not beleive some of those cars in the wreckers :mad: That make me angry they are wrecking VW's but i spose they have so so many of them they dont know what to do with them...

Just a questions is there lots of houses in England with VW's sitting on the front lawn like that bcuz if there is im planning a holiday to just go and check out the pom's stash of water coolers :)

Cheers James

[roccodingo]

Must have been a great trip (if as bit chilly :rolleyes: ) It looks like there are still a lot of them about. How's the rotator going?

Was cold Brackie, however managed to miss all the rain..:D

Mk 2 rocco's are quite common on the ground, managed to chat to a guy at one of the breakers who just bought one for a daily driver, paid like 150 quid ( $400 ) for a good runner ..:confused: hence why the rough ones get broken so quickly...

Got to drill the mount holes for the rotating fixture and a bit more welding to do...:)

[roccodingo]

the bag must have been heavy on the way home lol

the rotator looks great are you mounting it up on the bumper mounts??

LOL, bag wasnt to bad for weight as i ship the heavy stuff through a mate with a container service, Will be doing an order for 280 front discs, and 226 rear this month ( Feb) will be buying a set or 2 as spares..;)

yeah, the rotator will mount into the bumper holes, will post the pics as soon as its ready for use..:)

[roccodingo]

Looking at that Goldy Bronze Rocco makes me want one bad... I can not believe some of those cars in the wreckers :mad: That make me angry they are wrecking VW's but i spose they have so so many of them they dont know what to do with them...


Andy won the gold rocco of fleabay.uk, paid about 1300 pounds for it ( ~$3300 AUD )..

and yes its abysmal as to what goes to the breakers over there...saw an A4 Audi that was driven in in very good condition, only to be thrown on the pile...one of many cars that terminate early..not all VW's by any means either...



Just a questions is there lots of houses in England with VW's sitting on the front lawn like that bcuz if there is im planning a holiday to just go and check out the pom's stash of water coolers :)

Cheers James

Andy is a bit of a MK1 hoarder unlike myself...:D the red Mk2 was a daily up til the point of the gold Mk1 arriving, tried to sell it but there worth nothing ( as most 10+ year old cars in UK are..), hence why i have first dibs on just about the whole car...;)
some of the council laws over there allow them to collect cars that LOOK like they have been abandoned..there is a scirocco register member who had his car removed this way, still with thousands of pounds of new parts fitted.
Unsure of how it has turned out for the unfortunate fella..but i guess thats the danger of having to work on the street/verge...

[Water Boy]

One day im going to have to come and visit your collectionof rocco... Hope fully when i get older i will own a rocco of some sort... Unfortunatly mum is still boss at 16 and i cant have one but i hope fully get one soon :) Im hooked j:

Cheers James

[86gti]

damn, that Bimmer parked on the MK2 makes me wanna cry! haha.
I could have a feild day in a place like that! some times i wish i lived in the UK. hahaha

[roccodingo]

been pretty quiet last week, Still tracking down repair sections from UK and the states to effect a decent job.

Rotisserie is all but complete..

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/02/brocco174-1.jpg

makes working on any section of the car a breeze for an old geyser like me with a crook back..:D

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/02/brocco177-1.jpg

Still debating as to caustic / acid dip or just blast the shell ...

[GoLfMan]

just blast the shell and antirust like crazy!
make sure its bead blasting now sand blasting though as i've heard that sandblasting can warp the metal?

[86gti]

:D you one busy man Grant, lol il always amazed at pics of your workshop! id live in there comfortably..any room for a bed? lol

[roccodingo]

:D you one busy man Grant, lol il always amazed at pics of your workshop! id live in there comfortably..any room for a bed? lol

Dont laugh, it was considered before one of my kids decided to come live with dad...:D

I have had a couple of long nights there tho..mind you the fridge was empty by morning...:?

Have sourced repair sections from the UK and the states.. so the tinwork will be on hold for a while..:mad:

Be starting the drivetrain bits soon...

[roccodingo]

Well done some research on Caustic dipping and Abrasive blasting...

The plan at present is to chop the rust areas and repair as required, abrasive blast the rusty sections where necessary, then Caustic dip to remove all the seam sealer and underbody protection that I cant remove by mechanical means...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/03/brocco183-2.jpg

Used 30 Kg's of dry ice to chill all the floor interior sound deadening, then light hammer blows to fracture the frozen bitumen material...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/03/brocco184-2.jpg

Came up pretty well considering... You can see where one sheet had de- bonded and allowed water to sit between the sheet and metal floor...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/03/brocco181-2.jpg

Threw some of the Ice into the rain tray to remove the underbody seal, had been a problem in one of the other rocco's ( rain leaking in on the fuse box ...) so will need a light blast around the wiper motor bracket...


Sourcing the repair sections is taking way to long, have had a few dud leads, however have located another car at a breakers in UK, awaiting confirmation that its available...

[Valver.]

Looking great :)

[WABIT]

so whats news on the panel from the UK?

wabit

[roccodingo]

so whats news on the panel from the UK?

wabit

Waiting :? for a reply from 2 UK contacts and 1 stateside contact about the selected parts I need, they have to be cut from a donor car. The UK parts will come via my mates shipping service, prob bring back the pieces from the states
in November when I come back from Mk1 + 2 Bonelli GTG in Socal. :D

[roccodingo]

Latest count, have found and paid for a NOS genuine inner fender ( guard) for the RHS damaged one, just need an economical way to get it here from New York..:rolleyes:

Have 2 new sills complete and 2 rear arches complete from last UK shipment,

UK cars are showing as much rust damage as my own car for the other sections.

More breaking news as it happens...:D

[86gti]

Still off to the UK soon Grant?

[roccodingo]

Looking at early August Benny, depends still on $$'s and the girlfriend getting time off while there.

Wattaya needing ???:D

[86gti]

Ill let you know on MSN during the week,
Just a Bonrath grill :D if u can fit it in i would muchly appriciate :D

[Water Boy]

Im hanging out for an update on your rocco builds... Need some pics too...

Hope all is coming along well...

Cheers James :D

[Mario]

you have your hands full there...good luck with the project.. keep posting pics throughout the build.. will be interesting to see how it progresses...

Good Luck.. mario

[roccodingo]

Project has been in a holding pattern mainly due to the lack of replacement panels and ongoing business commitments .

The front inner fender NOS item I have purchased is now in LA awaiting shipping to Perth, should be leaving in the next fortnight, then only a 2 month wait till it arrives.

The other salvaged panels from Dr Dan's stolen rocco ( in UK) are currently on the water, should be here in about 5 weeks time. Managed to purchase another factory black leather interior from him also ( minus the front seats :mad: ), so that will come in handy !!

Pics when it all gets here..:D

Benny, prob not going to the UK til january now....

[roccodingo]

Managed to collect the parts from UK last weekend,

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/repairsections.res-1.jpg

sections will be caustic dipped and prepped ..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/leather1.res.jpg

Leather door cards were imaculate, last set i purchased from UK had massive speaker holes hacked into the front door cards..:mad:

For some unknown reason I only recieved the backrest from the rear seat...http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/leather2.res.jpg

Panel from the states is on the water still ...more as it comes.

[storm81]

Where have you been hiding grant, missed you must catch up sometime soon on msn :rolleyes:

[Water Boy]

Any more bits or work happened of late... :?

[roccodingo]

Well time has been sadly lacking of late, The US parts are here and still going thru customs clearancing as I write this. Hopefully this time i will collect them and they wont be damaged by the morons employed down there.:mad:

Off to UK next month for a social visit and some parts collecting, then when back I have about 4 weeks work booked up already ( and i have'nt left yet !!)

Come xmas I need to get the cabrio repairs completed and the new hood fitted, hopefully then i can spend some time on this project, wanting to have the shell work done over summer to give the paint a good dry out before winter arrives.

[jasonO]

Winter arrived grant no progress???

[roccodingo]

Lots of progress but unfortunately not on this car at present :(

[GOLFBALLS]

Well, you know a short little bald dude who is keen to help mate!

[GoLfMan]

come on Grant! PICTURES even if it is of other cars :P

[roccodingo]

been a while but its brothers are getting the love....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/cars%20in%20shed_zps0ibbtfzn.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/roccodingo/media/cars%20in%20shed_zps0ibbtfzn.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/more%20stuff_zpstymosjwz.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/roccodingo/media/more%20stuff_zpstymosjwz.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/rt%20guard%202_zpsaicoplik.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/roccodingo/media/rt%20guard%202_zpsaicoplik.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/roccodingo/IMG_2631_zpsigq9blbs.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/roccodingo/media/IMG_2631_zpsigq9blbs.jpg.html)

[sports racer]

4 of them and it doesn't look like any are running and your previous post was 6 years ago.

You're really just collecting them aren't you? :D

[roccodingo]

4 of them and it doesn't look like any are running and your previous post was 6 years ago.

You're really just collecting them aren't you? :D

Hahaha... kinda.

Another scirocco 1 running lives outside, plus a cabriolet in the garage ( running ) and another Golf Mk1 outside ( Russells track car) plus Radfords Mk1 cabrio under repair + 2 more cars not here that are in need of work. when I get time to spend on mine I do ...;)