The tyre Choice

[DubSteve]

Righto there fellow dubbers,

A quick question for you lot, after looking at tyres I have decided on some 195s but what 195s I don't know:?

For the rears they are 16x8 so I'm thinking 195/45 will do a nice stretch, but the fronts are my concern.

The fronts are a 16x7.5, Do I get 195/40 OR 195/45 I want to keep to the same rolling diameters fronts and backs can anyone help meh?

Cheers Steve

[Pullstarter]

You need to try and keep them as close as possible, Miata calculator is your friend :)

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

BTW I will not accept anything less than seeing Advans on your ride either Steve :biggrin:

[gareth_oau]

just out of curiosity, if you stretch a tyre, wouldn't that change the rolling diameter of it?

If so, the miata calculator isnt going to suit that circumstance

[DUB 20V]

you might need to run a more narrow tyre on the fronts to keep the strech the same front to back,

[Pullstarter]

just out of curiosity, if you stretch a tyre, wouldn't that change the rolling diameter of it?

If so, the miata calculator isnt going to suit that circumstance

Sorry I haven't found an online stretch calculator yet :biggrin:

[Lorenz]

Just go 195/45S all round, will get a little bit of stretch on the fronts with a half decent tyre and a tad more on the rear. My 195/45/16 Conti Contact Sports were very slightly stretched on my 16x7s, the 205s now sit flat (looks ghey IMO!)

[DubSteve]

you might need to run a more narrow tyre on the fronts to keep the strech the same front to back,

Thats why I am saying put the 195/40s instead of the 45s like the back wheres Ray loll.

[rayray086]

Back from work now :P

I'd go 195/45 all around, due to two main reasons... 1) cheaper (going 195/40 is a huge price hike as it's a rare size); 2) it'll maintain the stock VR6 rolling diameter better.

HOWEVER, the 195/40 would give you a better looking stretch on the 7.5" rim, but that said, the 195/45 would look quite similar between 7.5" and 8" widths. 195/40 will also let you run lower at the front (good or bad thing is up to you decide lol) and will give a forward rake look even when your wheel gap front and back is the same (which I like).

IMO, 195/40R16 = baller, 195/45R15 = safe ;)

[OEM G60]

Hi Steve, i've got 195/40/17 all round on my 17" RS, they are 7.5" front and 8" rear.
I had 195/40/16 on my 16" x 7" RS when i had the car shipped over here, then i split a tyre and couldn't find that size anywhere, they were Conti Sport Contact 2's.

So i had to get a new set of 195/45/16, it was a noticable difference in over all diameter, it made the arch to tyre gap smaller and raised the car up a bit, the ride felt a little smoother in a straight line but turning into corners was completely different, more flex in the 195/45's.

If i were you i'd go 195/45 all round, looks wise you'll have to lower it till it touches the ground to get it to look right from arch to tyre with the 195/40's. The Golf 3 and Corrado have such big arches you need to fill them out IMO. This is why i went to 17's, so i could run 195/40 without losing overall diameter.

Hope that made sense, i can post you pics to show you the difference if you like.

Matt

[LowVeeDub]

A new tyre a mate of mine has suggested are Marangoni Mythos.

My mate owns and runs Ozzy tyres here on the Central Coast.

This tyre won Tyre of the year apparently. They are an Italian tyre.

195 40 R16 are available. They should be around $110 to $130 each corner.

I'm sure you'd be able to find them somewhere around were you are..

Just my 2 cents... Good luck.

[OEM G60]

195/40/16
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/11/G60003-1.jpg

195/45/16
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/11/Picture002-1.jpg

195/40/17
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/11/DOVW08051-1.jpg

195/40/17 on 7.5"

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/10/ImportedPhotos00022-1.jpg

195/40/17 on 8"

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/11/ImportedPhotos00037-2.jpg

[rayray086]

Wow Matt :o Were the 195/40R17 readily available? I'm actually (well, may be) looking for a set in the near future. What brand/model/load rating?

[OEM G60]

Hi Ray, they were already on the RS when i got them sent over here from Ireland mate. They are Pirelli P Zero Nero, not sure about load rating.

[Mrk_Mickey]

Steve I'd go with 195/45's all round too. Remember your engine is a fatty and the load rating will suffer if anything below 205/45 is involved, so 195/45 is already collar-pulling!

[DubSteve]

Thanks for that Matt and Raymond, I think the tyre choice will be a 195/45 but first I need to sell the other ones and also need to find a good decent set:D

[gldgti]

anyone offer generalised price differences from 195/45 and 205/45 (16")

i've been buying 205's for my car and seem to differ from around $220 each for conti sport, to $130 for nexen n6000 (doing 50,000km/year, you can guess which tyre's i bought)

i never thought to price 195's though... are they cheaper?

[jayjay]

there is always a set of pirelli p6000s on ebay for like 550 or something like that... they're 195/45/16

[rayray086]

anyone offer generalised price differences from 195/45 and 205/45 (16")

i've been buying 205's for my car and seem to differ from around $220 each for conti sport, to $130 for nexen n6000 (doing 50,000km/year, you can guess which tyre's i bought)

i never thought to price 195's though... are they cheaper?

I know it's the same price for 195/45 and 205/40. I bought a pair of each (Nankang NS2) for $130/each about a year ago. Can't help you with the 205/45 though.

And WTF, 50,000km/year? Where do you drive to Aydan?

[OEM G60]

The cheapest i found the Conti Sport Contacts in 195/45/16 was $800 for the lot including fitting/balance and allignment. That was in Brookvale NSW in 2005.

[gldgti]

I know it's the same price for 195/45 and 205/40. I bought a pair of each (Nankang NS2) for $130/each about a year ago. Can't help you with the 205/45 though.

And WTF, 50,000km/year? Where do you drive to Aydan?

ahh so the 195/45 are about hte same price as the 205/45's then.

live in gosford, work in hornsy and missus works in north ryde - so i do gosford, hornsby, north ryde, gosford. i generally do 140km 5 days a week, or quite often 140km 4 days and about 300km one day a week... it all adds up. from october 07 to october 08 i put 50,500km on the car. in the year i spent about $5.5K on fuel.

last set of tyres were the dreaded Neuton NT5000's (indonesia) which i got 36,000km from, with some tread left over (i bought a new set because i wanted to get a wheel alignment).

in the past year i've drained 24L of oil out of the car in oil changes (always penrite HPR Diesel semi-synthetic)....

so yeah, thats why i'm a diesel nutter :-D

[WABIT]

195/45's all round mate, cant go wrong because when you need to replace them they are easy to come by
i waited 4 months foor my 165/50r15's yeah they arecool..... but im gonna be stuffed when i need to replace them!

was looking for 195/40's australia wide and didnt have any luck
if an australian deliverd car had them on as factory, we have the tyre here, if not... they will not be avalable

dom

[DubSteve]

195/45's all round mate, cant go wrong because when you need to replace them they are easy to come by
i waited 4 months foor my 165/50r15's yeah they arecool..... but im gonna be stuffed when i need to replace them!

was looking for 195/40's australia wide and didnt have any luck
if an australian deliverd car had them on as factory, we have the tyre here, if not... they will not be avalable

dom

Cheers bro,

I am definately going to go for them just need to think about which ones to go for thats the next question:?

[rayray086]

Toyo T1R :)

[DubSteve]

LOL Ray, what are you running?

[rayray086]

Cheap Kumho KU25. Looks crap stretched over... the Falkens look good though.

[RhysQ]

Toyo T1R :)

I repaced my T1-R's for the Marangoni's I have on now. I told the guys at the tyre shop to burn the T1-R's because they were so sh*t. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.

No traction when launching in the dry (wheelspin the whole way through 1st, 2nd and part of 3rd) and in the wet I pretty much didn't take the car out because it was too dangerous. I couldn't even turn slowly in the wet without the front end sliding around everywhere. Going around roundabouts, all fours would let go....:eek:

[DubSteve]

Cheap Kumho KU25. Looks crap stretched over... the Falkens look good though.

Ah yes the Falkens, Ray is Alex running the same tyres the Falkens on his mk1? And what were they exactly?

[WABIT]

i have the T1R's on my 16'sand they are insane

won best tyre in its racing category last year, best tyre before a semi slick

dom

[rayray086]

Wow, I've only heard good things about the T1R? Lots of dubbers choose the T1R for the way the sidewalls stretch though... I suppose they were evaluating the tyre based on the looks!

Alex has Nankang NSIIs over his BBS wheels. Very cheap performance tyre. I had them before on the BBS I sold to you. A little noisier than I liked.

[BL33SU]

u's all need archilles 225/15/20

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/11/Photo0014-2.jpg

[thestu]

u's all need archilles 225/15/20

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/11/Photo0014-2.jpg
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL thats hecktik ulay

i agree the T1-R's are an awesome tyre! i have driven 2 cars with them and they are nice to drive! not much road noise and good grip :)

[gldgti]

surely the truth is in the name - "archilles", the weakest point in any ride ;-)

[WABIT]

ummm sorry, did u say 225/15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! r20???

IF SO!! WHAT THE??
what kinda profile is that???


dom

[Golf Houso]

ummm sorry, did u say 225/15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! r20???

IF SO!! WHAT THE??
what kinda profile is that???


dom

I've seen this car, I'm pretty sure they're 35's Wabit

[KWICKS]

Cheap Hankook Ventus R-S2 and S1 Evo at Tempre Tyres at the moment.
http://www.tempetyres.com.au/pages.asp?ID=Hankook+Tyre+Sale!!