DSG Reverse Lagging

[aDg3]

Hi All,

I've just bought a GTI (5dr) with DSG and have been reading these forums for months before doing so.

Anyways, this being my 1st new car ever I think the DSG gearbox is stuffing up.

What happens is, I put it into reverse, hit the gas pedal, car (80% of the time) revs then clicks in then moves back. Is this normal? I've only had it for 3 days.

Is it maybe something that needs to be "run in" - I don't think so though. I'll probably call the dealer or the service centre some time today to find out but I thought I'd post it up here to find out if this is normal or not and furthermore if it's happened to you how long was the "repair" for it to be normal.

Thanks

[blutopless2]

mine does not do this... there should be a slight pause when you lift off the brake till the clutches start to disengage then the car should move backwards... no clicking etc...
the only thing i have found to be a pain with reverse is the lurching when you apply any throttle.

[aDg3]

mine does not do this... there should be a slight pause when you lift off the brake till the clutches start to disengage then the car should move backwards... no clicking etc...
the only thing i have found to be a pain with reverse is the lurching when you apply any throttle.

I'll check that when I spend some more time with it today after work.

I'm finding it's also happening on plain flat roads also.
Appreciate the help :)

[WEDEL.1]

My is perfect....no such delays.....in fact, I can't get used to it engaging so quickly, unlike our Polo, which does have delays engaging first & reverse.

Maris

[bazzle]

Mine takes a second or so in the transition from 1st to rev.
I do hear driveline soft "clunk" IF I listen real hard.

I cant see an issue with it yet.

I would drive yours a bit more maybe? Say a couple of weeks?

Bazzle

[aDg3]

Mine takes a second or so in the transition from 1st to rev.
I do hear driveline soft "clunk" IF I listen real hard.

I cant see an issue with it yet.

I would drive yours a bit more maybe? Say a couple of weeks?

Bazzle

Yes I was thinking that also. I've transitioned from a Camry to the GTI and found this a little weird.

[gerhard]

Yes I was thinking that also. I've transitioned from a Camry to the GTI and found this a little weird.

The DSG is not the same as an automatic transmission in other cars.

It is a manual with automated clutches, quite different in behaviour to a torque converter system.

When you put it in reverse, release the brake, wait for the clutch to engage, and only then apply throttle if required. You will find it moves quite fast enough without applying throttle, on flat ground.

Moving from a Camry to a GTI - wow - you will find quite a few things a bit weird, especially the driving pleasure :biggrin:

[aDg3]

When you put it in reverse, release the brake, wait for the clutch to engage, and only then apply throttle if required. You will find it moves quite fast enough without applying throttle, on flat ground.

Moving from a Camry to a GTI - wow - you will find quite a few things a bit weird, especially the driving pleasure :biggrin:

Thanks man!
I'll have to check if I usually have my foot on the brake or not. I think on the flat surface I don't. Am I meant to be placing the foot on the brake when putting it into R from say D, on the flat...I think on the flat once the car's warm etc I don't and it works without the clutch noise

[gerhard]

Thanks man!
I'll have to check if I usually have my foot on the brake or not. I think on the flat surface I don't. Am I meant to be placing the foot on the brake when putting it into R from say D, on the flat...I think on the flat once the car's warm etc I don't and it works without the clutch noise

I've got into the habit of always having my foot on the brake when stationary, and when moving between D and R. Doing this also prevents selection lockout - if you leave the car in N for a while, you then cannot select D or R until you have applied the brake, you even get a dash light warning. Also, when in gear and brake applied, the clutches are released, whereas if in gear and handbrake the clutch is engaged.

[aDg3]

I've got into the habit of always having my foot on the brake when stationary, and when moving between D and R. Doing this also prevents selection lockout - if you leave the car in N for a while, you then cannot select D or R until you have applied the brake, you even get a dash light warning. Also, when in gear and brake applied, the clutches are released, whereas if in gear and handbrake the clutch is engaged.

Definetely interesting, I now remember doing a 3pt U turn and putting the brakes on to stop the car going forward like an Automatic goes...hmm..got to retest tonight

[aDg3]

My is perfect....no such delays.....in fact, I can't get used to it engaging so quickly, unlike our Polo, which does have delays engaging first & reverse.

Maris

Just a Q there mate, do you hold the brake when transitioning between the gears?

[Maverick]

Just a Q there mate, do you hold the brake when transitioning between the gears?

You have to or it won't let you change from Neutral or Park without your foot on the brake pedal.

[aDg3]

You have to or it won't let you change from Neutral or Park without your foot on the brake pedal.

In that case, my car probably has a problem. In the mornings I usually start up, change from P to R, and reverse out...but it lags :(

[Maverick]

In that case, my car probably has a problem. In the mornings I usually start up, change from P to R, and reverse out...but it lags :(

Define lags? The DSG operates differently to an Auto and it can take some time to adapt to driving one, I'm still getting used to it after six months.

When you start the car it probably has 1st and 2nd gear pre-selected so by going straight into reverse it has to change gears.

If you start the car, put it into reverse, wait a few seconds and then release the brake for it to engage and then lightly press the accelerator pedal what happens?

[aDg3]

Define lags? The DSG operates differently to an Auto and it can take some time to adapt to driving one, I'm still getting used to it after six months.

When you start the car it probably has 1st and 2nd gear pre-selected so by going straight into reverse it has to change gears.

If you start the car, put it into reverse, wait a few seconds and then release the brake for it to engage and then lightly press the accelerator pedal what happens?

Yes, it is diff from an Auto. One of the dealerships wants me to come in so that he can check it out and probably explain it all to me.

If I start the car, put it in reverse etc and wait a few seconds, on a small decline, the car still does it. I'm finding it happens when I hit 1000rpm, and that's when the car actually moves.

I can try it later, but on the flat I noticed it was also happening.

[aDg3]

Define lags?

By lag I mean, I put the car into reverse, push down on the gas, car firstly revs to 1000rpm before moving.
And just before it gets moving, I hear a clunk noise then the car moves

[dangerous_daveo]

Mines a little laggy. But it is reverse... I mean unless I'm out trying to perfect my stunt driving, the lag doesnt worry me too much.

BTW, going slightly offtopic. The DSG is great for doing stupid stuff (skid pan of course, tyres cost too much otherwise) but you can do a 180* turn with a roll back so easy. As soon as it goes backwards clutch in! Its tops!

[gerhard]

By lag I mean, I put the car into reverse, push down on the gas, car firstly revs to 1000rpm before moving.
And just before it gets moving, I hear a clunk noise then the car moves

I think you are doing it wrong.

Start the car, put it into reverse, do NOT apply throttle until the car starts to move, ie, until it has fully engaged the clutch.

It seems what you are doing is like being in a manual car, revving it, and letting the clutch out suddenly, rather than engaging the clutch gently and then applying throttle.

[gerhard]

Meant to add, it is not like a torque converter auto, where you can select reverse, feel it hook up, blip the throttle to get motion, and let the torque converter absorb a lot of the thrust.

[aDg3]

I think you are doing it wrong.

Start the car, put it into reverse, do NOT apply throttle until the car starts to move, ie, until it has fully engaged the clutch.

It seems what you are doing is like being in a manual car, revving it, and letting the clutch out suddenly, rather than engaging the clutch gently and then applying throttle.

Hey Gerhard, Thanks for the help so far man.

Yes I tried that also, ie waited for the car to move without me hitting the gas pedal. Now I'm convinced there's something wrong with it as it still makes that sound when moving without me doing anything except lifting my foot off the brake.

Hopefully I'll take it in tomorrow for a check up

[gerhard]

Hey Gerhard, Thanks for the help so far man.

Yes I tried that also, ie waited for the car to move without me hitting the gas pedal. Now I'm convinced there's something wrong with it as it still makes that sound when moving without me doing anything except lifting my foot off the brake.

Hopefully I'll take it in tomorrow for a check up

No probs, when you take it in, suggest to them that it might need a DSG reset - search the forum for info about this. It's a reset of the TCU and requires a drive sequence after being done to reset the clutches, etc.

It has reportedly helped a few people with issues.

I imagine they would do that anyway, before deciding if the Mechatronics unit requires replacement.

Good luck :)

[aDg3]

No probs, when you take it in, suggest to them that it might need a DSG reset - search the forum for info about this. It's a reset of the TCU and requires a drive sequence after being done to reset the clutches, etc.

It has reportedly helped a few people with issues.

I imagine they would do that anyway, before deciding if the Mechatronics unit requires replacement.

Good luck :)

Thanks mate, will do.
Hopefully it's all good, it seems like everything I buy this yr has broken down in some shape or form

[BigMan]

i have the same problem as you aDg3..

Mine is a gt sport but experience the same issue not only with reverse but also when the car first move into gear 1.

I had put up with it thinking its something i did wrong for the past 2 months now i think i should put it in for a check as well.

[aDg3]

i have the same problem as you aDg3..

Mine is a gt sport but experience the same issue not only with reverse but also when the car first move into gear 1.

I had put up with it thinking its something i did wrong for the past 2 months now i think i should put it in for a check as well.

yer def get it checked it. I know it's new technology etc, but if it's working in D, why not R (in my case). In D it's fine, but in R it's doing it. Hopefully we don't get charged for any of this, esp since I've only had it since Thurs 6th Nov

[aDg3]

Guys, I (well my dad) got it checked out.
The mechanic at VW said it's normal! It's like I think Gerhard said, when the car stops it takes time to change gears as it might have stopped on 2, still I find it quite weird.

Bigman, if your's is still doing it in D, I'd be getting it checked out.

[BigMan]

thanks for the update mate.

will definately get it checked but the question is when i have time :)

[aDg3]

thanks for the update mate.

will definately get it checked but the question is when i have time :)

No worries.

A big thanks to Gerhard too for helping out.

I still think the noise it makes is still abnormal

[Guest212]

Does anyone else have a DSG which shudders in reverse?

I can't actually reverse up hills at the moment. The car just doesn't want to do it. Revs out to about 2500rpm before it starts moving.

Shudders sometimes when it changes gears too (in drive).

I also have trouble getting moving up steep hills from a standstill and trying to go forwards. On the street i live on when I pull out of driveway in the morning I have to rev to about 2500rpm to get moving (when its cold!!! god i hate revving it when its cold). If i don't push it over this seemingly magic number it just sits there crawling and grumbling very much sounding like the driver can't operate the clutch.

Its starting to get quite frustrating.

And its back into its habbit of riding the clutch constantly when you come to a complete stop. And with the aircon on it makes the floorpan vibrate more than my diesel patrol does at idle.

[gerhard]

Does anyone else have a DSG which shudders in reverse?

I can't actually reverse up hills at the moment. The car just doesn't want to do it. Revs out to about 2500rpm before it starts moving.

Shudders sometimes when it changes gears too (in drive).

I also have trouble getting moving up steep hills from a standstill and trying to go forwards. On the street i live on when I pull out of driveway in the morning I have to rev to about 2500rpm to get moving (when its cold!!! god i hate revving it when its cold). If i don't push it over this seemingly magic number it just sits there crawling and grumbling very much sounding like the driver can't operate the clutch.

Its starting to get quite frustrating.

And its back into its habbit of riding the clutch constantly when you come to a complete stop. And with the aircon on it makes the floorpan vibrate more than my diesel patrol does at idle.

There is something seriously not right there.

Have you thought of a visit to the dealer?

[Guest212]

yes its going in for some warranty work in december.

whats going to be fun is getting it to do all its tricks for the dealer.

The reverse and hill start issues seem to be much more pronounced when cold.

I am expecting the "thats normal" response.


next time i'll just get the manual.:duh:

ps: to top it off dumb tart housemate dented the drivers door this morning while leaving. i have no proof but know it was her. Grrr. Bitch. Not only that but got showered in clay by a truck the other day too which has left its marks on the paint....starting to dread driving it despite it being so nice.

[aDg3]

Yer something sounds very wrong. I still reckon mine's not 100% normal, I have to hit 1000rpm to get it to move while reversing up maybe a 30 degree hill

[Guest212]

Yer something sounds very wrong. I still reckon mine's not 100% normal, I have to hit 1000rpm to get it to move while reversing up maybe a 30 degree hill

that sounds normal?

[linds]

Yer something sounds very wrong. I still reckon mine's not 100% normal, I have to hit 1000rpm to get it to move while reversing up maybe a 30 degree hill

errrm, dude, that's pretty normal, I need alot more revs than that on the DSG to get up a hillslope in Reverse... (i.e. 1.66t caddy)

I'm not fully up on the dsg operation, but as I understand it, it's got a cutout threshold, so that it doesn't stall the engine if your not accelerating...

somebody else know better?

[aDg3]

Guess it's normal, was told it's normal, discussed it here and have been told it's fairly normal but I still think it the sound generated is wrong