What are YOU paying for diesel???

[Preen59]

I just paid 188.9 at my local independant mate here in Orange today. I haven't filled up for a bit over a month (haven't made any trips lately, Go the awesome economy from the Caddy!) and i nearly fell over while i was filling up and looked over at the bowser.

So what have you guys been paying lately?

[gldgti]

i paid 177.9 today for b100. the regular diesel was 187.9

[Preen59]

i paid 177.9 today for b100. the regular diesel was 187.9

Hmm. So what i'm paying in Orange isn't so bad comparably then.. This sucks.

[GoLfMan]

make your own!!!!

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

[smithy010]

I paid 185.9 in randwick this morning. I'll be trying out the pug's economy on the 600km each way trip home this weekend. Hope to get there and back on a 60l tank(.. We'll see.)

My local servo (on malabar road, maroubra) was charging 190.9!

[Mischa]

paid 185 last time i filled up; bp is all thats gone into my baby. wont be paying for another 3 months though and it'll probably be at 2.00$ a litre by the time i get my licence back :frown:

[Preen59]

paid 185 last time i filled up; bp is all thats gone into my baby. wont be paying for another 3 months though and it'll probably be at 2.00$ a litre by the time i get my licence back :frown:

Gees dude thats a bugger. Oh, well, if you can't drive, drink! :drinkbeer: Haha.

[Preen59]

make your own!!!!

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

You can't use biodiesel in common rail engines. Biodiesel can't lubricate under extreme pressure and it will destroy your fuel pump in around 300km.

Unfortunately.. :(

[mikinoz]

I don't look because it does not change my requirements.

I usually fear the $100 mark - but am yet to hit it thankfully.

[Mischa]

You can't use biodiesel in common rail engines. Biodiesel can't lubricate under extreme pressure and it will destroy your fuel pump in around 300km.

Unfortunately.. :(

good thing we dont have common rail engines then :driver:

[Preen59]

good thing we dont have common rail engines then :driver:

yeah we do.. ??

[Mischa]

yeah we do.. ??

nar we've got the pumpe duse engines

[Preen59]

nar we've got the pumpe duse engines

No that's the previous engines isn't it? Ah bugger it. Google time. :)

[Preen59]

Engine: Water-cooled, four cylinder turbodiesel displacing 1896cc with two valves per cylinder, fed by common rail fuel injection.

Told ya. :).

[Mischa]

ke where'd you find that??

http://www.volkswagen.com.au/vwcms_publish/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/en_au/common/pdf.Par.0003.File.pdf

told ya :P

[Preen59]

Bah, what would VW australia know.. :D

I was sure the new VW engines were common rail. Time to do some reading to like, get more knowledged up n that. Ya know.

[Preen59]

Haha, did you check out the ground clearance? 176mm!!! Watch out for speedhumps. haha.

[Mischa]

Haha, did you check out the ground clearance? 176mm!!! Watch out for speedhumps. haha.

and you knwo whats funny; technically you're not allowed to lower the car more than 1/3 of its original clearance. so much for that rule :biggrin:

[itsbazza]

I wish fuel was that cheap over here in the uk. Just filled up my company car with diesel earlier and it was £1.32.9 per litre or in Aus $2.75!!!!!!

Infact last week a load of shell tanker drivers all went on strike about pay and the panic buying started again and some petrol stations went up to £1.99per litre, thats $4.11. Ridiculous!

[gldgti]

wow - thats negative hype at work for ya

[greygolf8]

Biodiesel (B80) 1.75 at Marrickville today. dino brands starting from 1.85 ...

[shogun2]

Alice Springs $1.96.9 yesterday!:eek:

[OvaltoJetta]

I'm going to pay $1.78.9 today at my new found Independant 2klm away from my local BP who is charging $1.89.9. (6% more - stuff the 4c voucher rip-offs) How do I know? .... Fuelwatch
Fuelwatch doesn't reduce prices, it tell you where the cheapest is so you can go there and buy it. So on 50 litres, I'm going to save $5.50 ... or get 3 litres "free".

[Preen59]

And to think i just about lost it when i payed 1.25 for premium for the Mk1 a couple of years ago.. This is so ridiculous.

[iain]

$1.40 for B100 in Melbourne. It was a dollar ten six months ago.Still cheap comparatively though.

[Volvo Driver]

$1.40 for B100 in Melbourne. It was a dollar ten six months ago.Still cheap comparatively though.

Which place? the one in Boronia is about 4c a litre less then their "premium" diesel, which is B10.

[iain]

Fina Fuels in Thomastown.

Last time I tried to fill up at either of the other two bio places in Melbourne they had no B100. Said there was a shortage.

They always seem to have it at Fina and it's cheaper for some reason. No flash driveway though - you fill up in the driveway beside the factory.

[mr.damage]

Fina Fuels in Thomastown.

They always seem to have it at Fina and it's cheaper for some reason. No flash driveway though - you fill up in the driveway beside the factory.

Gotta love Tom and the guys out there at Fina hey Iain. Ill be out there tomorrow with the car and 2 jerry cans. Wish i still lived over that side of town
bit far to go from werribee :frown:

[gregozedobe]

nar we've got the pumpe duse engines

AFAIK we haven't started to get the CR TDIs in OZ yet, but it probably won't be too long. We often lag behind other countries in getting new engines eg the US has been getting the new timing chain 2.0 turbo petrol engines since March 2008, but we haven't seen them here yet.

I think all the new CRs will have DPFs fitted, so if you don't want a DPF on your 103Kw 2.0 TDI it may be time to buy one now before the new motors arrive.

[rodrocco]

Which place? the one in Boronia is about 4c a litre less then their "premium" diesel, which is B10.

When you get FUELWATCH, you be able to get it emailed to you daily

[mr.damage]

Fina Fuels in Thomastown.

Last time I tried to fill up at either of the other two bio places in Melbourne they had no B100. Said there was a shortage.

They always seem to have it at Fina and it's cheaper for some reason. No flash driveway though - you fill up in the driveway beside the factory.

Iain just read over at the bio fuels forum that tom and the guys are trying to keep it 40 cents cheaper than fossil diesel.:) The other mob down around South Yarra is just profiteering on the green fuel idea :brutal:. Cant say I have been to SAAF so wont comment on them .

[cctuning.co.uk]

It costs £1.30 in england which is taking the p*** :frown:

Chris

[Preen59]

It costs £1.30 in england which is taking the p*** :frown:

Chris

How much is Petrol? That sucks dude..

[Suff]

So who is running BioD in their Golf's? I am just about to buy a GT Sport TDI.. and I know the local Gull near me offers BioD (about 10cpl cheaper than standard diesel) are people noticing a difference in performance / economy between the two? Any other Pro's & Con's (excuse the noob question!)

[Mischa]

So who is running BioD in their Golf's? I am just about to buy a GT Sport TDI.. and I know the local Gull near me offers BioD (about 10cpl cheaper than standard diesel) are people noticing a difference in performance / economy between the two? Any other Pro's & Con's (excuse the noob question!)

the quality of locally sold biodiesel is generally poor. i sure as hell wouldnt put it in my gt tdi :)

[mr.damage]

So who is running BioD in their Golf's? I am just about to buy a GT Sport TDI.. and I know the local Gull near me offers BioD (about 10cpl cheaper than standard diesel) are people noticing a difference in performance / economy between the two? Any other Pro's & Con's (excuse the noob question!)
I would be very carefull about running bio in that car. Dose it have a DPF im sure someone could answer that. If so I would do some research before using bio check out the link below. There are some good souces of bio around depending on where you are. If you are in melbourne Fina Fuels cant be beten For quality and price
(up to 40 cents per liter cheaper).
Loads of info at this site
http://www.biofuelsforum.com/using_biodiesel/

[Silver Caravelle]

http://www.freedomfuels.com.au/fuels.html

Does any body know what the Biodiesel quality is like from Freedom Fuels?

Cheers,

Scott

[origin]

diesel price went to 192.8 at North Ryde / Sydney today:eek:

[mr.damage]

Payed $1.45/L at fina fuels yesterday for b100

[Golf Loon]

Anyone know any biodiesel stations in Syneys West??

[cetane]

My farm fuel merchant came to fill up the farm diesel tank on Friday. These days his visit isn't much looked forward to :-(
When he dipped the tank he said it wasn't worth unrolling his hose and putting any in. This made me deliriously happy :-) as usually I get an invoice for $700 or so every two months.

Why??? I reckon it's because these days I always think twice before starting any of my tractors up. And when I do, I pick the smallest of them that I can get away with. In days gone by I'd leave the motors running from start-work to finish-work even if I had to jump out or off for considerable lengths of time and do other things. I guess the old philosophy was, "Diesels are made for it....and....keeps the battery charged....and....gets the motor fully hot" etc. Also, if using the loader I'd hand throttle up to 1750rpm and leave the revs up there but now I use the accelerator peddle.
I used to hop in the 4WD to buzz around the farm whether I need it or not. I used to say, "Saves time....and....saves the old body". Now as I save every drop by walking, using an ATV or combining trips.

So how do you translate this to road vehicles? With difficulty but it can be done.
Car pooling's going to save you at least 50% on your fuel costs, (but having done it in a former life it isn't convenient and if you're like me you spend a lot of time thinking when driving or stuck in a traffic jam so somebody jabbering away in the car may not turn you on).
Combining trips works if you can do it. I only go into town now if I really have to and I make sure that shopping, bill paying etc is done in the same trip. No more hopping in the car to go and buy a loaf of bread (only).
But try driving for economy. It works! Don't leave braking until the last micro second. Be Captain Slow and accelerate gently. Drive smoothly. If you can, drop 10kph off your cruising speeds. This makes a huge differnece, especially in a diesel.

A neighbour of mine said to me that it wouldn't matter how much fuel went up by, people wouldn't change their driving habits. I reckon from what I'm reading he's been proven wrong. Even in the US people are driving their cars less and fuel inventories are rising. Hence the price of fuel (driven by supply and demand) is falling.

And my fuel merchant tells me that diesel has come down by 10c/L in the past week......

[gregozedobe]

Good post, cetane.

We have been doing what you describe for years, but with the recent price increases for fuel we've been a bit more diligent in application, and it does reduce your fuel costs. Each particular thing doesn't make a huge difference (well actually, driving gently does for some people :) ), but doing all of these can really add up to significant savings.

A couple of things I'd like to add.

Anticipate traffic movement - if the vehicles ahead are stopping or slowing down or you know that traffic light is going to change to red; back off the accelerator pedal and coast to the stoppage (many modern engines use no fuel at all while decelerating, the momentum of the vehicle keeps the engine turning over).

If you have a trip computer that will show instantaneous fuel usage, monitor that and try to keep the figure lower.

For most people using cruise control will help (good drivers can do better, but it takes a lot of cencentration).

Choose your trip times for when traffic is flowing more freely. This can be difficult, but sometimes you have a choice. I drive to Sydney from Canberra fairly often, and I try to time my arrival in Sydney for outside of peak traffic times.

Keep your tyre pressures up near the maximum (but check for excessive wear in the centre of the tread, in which case you may need to reduce it slightly).

Remove any excess weight from your vehicles - all those extra kilograms take fuel to lug up the hill, more than you gain from from coasting down the other side.

As an a side benefit, if you drive gently nearly all the time then when you do put your foot down hard your engine will feel more powerful :)

IMHO if you are driving on a busy highway it is unsafe to drive too slowly (say less than 20 Kmhr slower than prevailing cruising speeds). Drivers coming up behind are just not expecting you to be travelling so slowly, and because so many are on cruise control and not paying attention they are likely to rearend you before they wake up enough to -
A realize there is a problem, and
B do something useful about it.
I've tried driving at 80Km/hr in fairly light traffic on a dual lane freeway, and while the improvement in fuel economy is large, it is just too dangerous (even if it is legal)

[gldgti]

IMHO if you are driving on a busy highway it is unsafe to drive too slowly (say less than 20 Kmhr slower than prevailing cruising speeds). Drivers coming up behind are just not expecting you to be travelling so slowly, and because so many are on cruise control and not paying attention they are likely to rearend you before they wake up enough to -
A realize there is a problem, and
B do something useful about it.
I've tried driving at 80Km/hr in fairly light traffic on a dual lane freeway, and while the improvement in fuel economy is large, it is just too dangerous (even if it is legal)

this fact alone annoys me more than almost anyhting else.

i have to drivw the deaded F3 from gosford to hornsby every day, and although its an easy run of traffic most times and very reliable, everyone drives SO FAST!

the average cruise is a little over 120km/h as far as i can reckon, and so many commuters are zoned out, that its very dangerous. as a consequence i tend to try to stay with the traffic to minimise the amount of risk - but its gotta hurt the fuel economy.

ots not so bad on weekends, since there arent so many trucks. but during the week, the trucks use left lane up all the hills (of which there are many) and hence if you want to cruise slowly in the left lane, you would end up holding up truckies on the uphills - something i think would waste more fuel than driving slower would!

[cetane]

Yeah.. I guess I'm privileged in that I don't have to drive in traffic very often, so it's easy for me to say, "Drive 10kph slower....". I remember commuting only too well and I'm very pleased to be out of it. On the occasions that I need to go on trips to the city I try to stay close to the 110 limit but if the opportunity arises I'll drop to 100kph. Trucks are speed limited to 100kph anyway so I don't get in their way.

I can recall when I was doing my apprenticeship (early to mid '60s) that we bench-tested a few of the direct (BMC, Rootes, Gardiner) and indirect diesels (some Perkins) and found that there was a huge (and I mean HUGE) increase in fuel consumption once out of the top of the torque band. Basically, diesel was being blown down the exhaust because the motor couldn't burn it fast enough! I don't know about the efficiency of modern TDI motors at these high speeds however I would guess that being computer-controlled they are much better.

Going back to my previous post, the cost of fuel to you is dependent on 4 things:
* the fuel consumption efficiency of your car
* the price you pay for fuel
* how far you drive and in what conditions
* your driving habits

So....if fuel goes up by 80% (as it has done in the past year) you can:
* buy a 80% more fuel efficient car or;
* make your own fuel ;-) or;
* drive 80% less or;
* drive more economically.

I guess the easiest of these to achieve is the last one. One thing's for sure and that's fuel will never go down to '05 prices and reserves are rapidly depleting so we must change our habits in order to aid or own financial survival and the survival of the planet.

[Golf Loon]

I paid $1.88 in sydders the other day.
Its now $140 to fill the T4 from empty.

Can I use B100? Where can I get it??

I`m not complaining about the economy and you are right its all about how nicely you drive the beast.

[THR]

$1.889 at Shell yesterday (although I did get a 4c discouht thanks to those stupid vouchers).

[Mischa]

I paid $1.88 in sydders the other day.
Its now $140 to fill the T4 from empty.

Can I use B100? Where can I get it??

I`m not complaining about the economy and you are right its all about how nicely you drive the beast.

matt want some vege oil from my dad's restaurant? :D

[Golf Loon]

matt want some vege oil from my dad's restaurant? :D

Yeah and a chemist to cook it up for me. :biggrin:

[Mischa]

Yeah and a chemist to cook it up for me. :biggrin:

im gonna give it a go. nice knowing you if i blow myself up.

[Preen59]

$1.889 at Shell yesterday (although I did get a 4c discouht thanks to those stupid vouchers).

You know, you're just getting ripped off for your groceries to get that voucher. :duh: Stupid Coles and Woolworths. I say bring on Walmart etc for some competition. Screw em.

[Preen59]

I paid 1.85 at Chatswood last night before i came home..

[Russ59]

I haven't got the new Golf yet :frown: but won't be long :biggrin::biggrin: I have noticed a decent drop in diesel price down here in Nowra NSW was @ $1.90 + p/l at most servos but noticed the Caltex down the road from me had it down by 9c to around $1.81 p/l however petrol has only dropped by about 1c p/l at the same servo. Just the sort of thing I like to see when I've just bought a diesel. :banana::banana::driver::biggrin:

[Preen59]

I haven't got the new Golf yet :frown: but won't be long :biggrin::biggrin: I have noticed a decent drop in diesel price down here in Nowra NSW was @ $1.90 + p/l at most servos but noticed the Caltex down the road from me had it down by 9c to around $1.81 p/l however petrol has only dropped by about 1c p/l at the same servo. Just the sort of thing I like to see when I've just bought a diesel. :banana::banana::driver::biggrin:

I'm hearing that! It was teetering on 2 bucks here last week.

[Russ59]

I'm hearing that! It was teetering on 2 bucks here last week.

Hopefully all the ongoing action from the truckies will see the prices continue to fall. They should never have increased the way they did, I always remember it being the other way around at the bowsers ie Petrol at least 20c p/l dearer than diesel. I think there is a lot of political motivation in the pricing.

Russ

[Preen59]

Hopefully all the ongoing action from the truckies will see the prices continue to fall. They should never have increased the way they did, I always remember it being the other way around at the bowsers ie Petrol at least 20c p/l dearer than diesel. I think there is a lot of political motivation in the pricing.

Russ

Yup. Greed and politics. :brutal:

[smithy010]

And china.

[Preen59]

And china.

Yeah. Stupid China. :frown:

[Golf Houso]

Yeah. Stupid China. :frown:

Wouldn't it be stupid USA and Saudis?

[Preen59]

Wouldn't it be stupid USA and Saudis?

China is taking resources from everywhere! Whether it's oil, tool steels, ore, coal, whatever, they are driving up prices elsewhere.

What happens is that China takes the majority of the consumables, and what is left over is what we all scrap for. So it's supply and demand. The small (comparatively) amount that we buy here is four to five hundred percent of the cost of what China is paying for it in some cases.

Put it this way.. At work, we get plastic moulds from china CHEAPER than what we can buy the material for here! They're crap moulds and we nearly always have to modify them to get them to work the way we want, but still, you can see my point.

[Brisben]

China is taking resources from everywhere! Whether it's oil, tool steels, ore, coal, whatever, they are driving up prices elsewhere.

What happens is that China takes the majority of the consumables, and what is left over is what we all scrap for. So it's supply and demand. The small (comparatively) amount that we buy here is four to five hundred percent of the cost of what China is paying for it in some cases.

Put it this way.. At work, we get plastic moulds from china CHEAPER than what we can buy the material for here! They're crap moulds and we nearly always have to modify them to get them to work the way we want, but still, you can see my point.


We use guys in China and they get paid 50 bucks a week....they are happy to be earning anything at all.

[Preen59]

We use guys in China and they get paid 50 bucks a week....they are happy to be earning anything at all.

Yeah, it's awful. Most of the parts in our fridges come from china now. Wiring harnesses, compressors, condensers, evaporators and many plastic components. Its bad to have to buy parts in from O/S, but the factory wouldn't be open still if we didn't do it.

[Golf Houso]

China is taking resources from everywhere! Whether it's oil, tool steels, ore, coal, whatever, they are driving up prices elsewhere.

What happens is that China takes the majority of the consumables, and what is left over is what we all scrap for. So it's supply and demand. The small (comparatively) amount that we buy here is four to five hundred percent of the cost of what China is paying for it in some cases.

Put it this way.. At work, we get plastic moulds from china CHEAPER than what we can buy the material for here! They're crap moulds and we nearly always have to modify them to get them to work the way we want, but still, you can see my point.

Fair point, but keep in mind that the Chinese pay THE SAME for their fuel (per barrel) and diesel than we do here. What your talking about has much more to do with economies of scale, lower labour costs and the efficiencies they have over there which they have developed and nothing to do with the price of fuel.
One interesting suggestion in why fuel prices are so high is that they are being manipulated, legitimately, in order to cash into the constantly growing demand for oil and other resources in China as they grow.

Its really the TNC's and their various governments that are at fault, not the Chinese. Do they have to arrest their economic growth so you can have slightly cheaper fuel? Thats truly unreasonable...

[Brisben]

Fair point, but keep in mind that the Chinese pay THE SAME for their fuel (per barrel) and diesel than we do here. What your talking about has much more to do with economies of scale, lower labour costs and the efficiencies they have over there which they have developed and nothing to do with the price of fuel.
One interesting suggestion in why fuel prices are so high is that they are being manipulated, legitimately, in order to cash into the constantly growing demand for oil and other resources in China as they grow.

Its really the TNC's and their various governments that are at fault, not the Chinese. Do they have to arrest their economic growth so you can have slightly cheaper fuel? Thats truly unreasonable...

But they pay a lot less for labour.

It is not unreasonable to allow the same growth, the problem now lies in that we were allowed to grow at our own rate, but without these carbon emissions, which we are now asking them to comply with, if the same was dictated to westerners we wouldn't have grown at the rate we did.

It is a complex issue, the basis remians that we all take advantage of the chinese growth in industrial markets, whether as buyers or consumers.

Fuel costs are irrelevant in terms of supply and demand, they sell , we buy, why?

Because they can do it for less. Your right ecomoies of scale come into force, like the volumes they buyer mean lower prices. Ie Fuel.