POLO GTi OR COOPER S??

[Jnr]

hey guys since selling my v8 about a month ago ive been wanting to get back into the small car market and ive narrowed it down to either a 2nd hand polo GTi or a Mini cooperS.. ive test driven a mini and was very impressed with power and handling....(it felt nice and strong) hoping to test drive a polo this sunday...
Has anyone got any advise or maybe have also researched these cars and found out some info??

cheers guys any feedback is appreciated.

[pologti18t]

The Cooper S will be much more expensive (age for age) than a Polo Gti

The GTi will not have the feedback and handling of the Cooper S. This will, in part, be balanced out by a smoother ride and loads more interior space.

[VW GTI]

I would say the Mini is definitely not the 50% better car the price would suggest.

[Sharkie]

Also, if you would like a bit more power, the Cooper S is fairly expensive to take to 150kw, while the Polo is 10mins and less than $2K.

Polo with an extra 40+kw is a real eye opener to drive.....

Cooper S will have more status but is also perceived more of a "girls car" than a Polo GTI. Believe me you will get flack form every Tom, **** and Harry for driving a Polo or a Mini until you leave them behind in the dust, or take them for a ride ......

[gareth_oau]

I like the Minis from the outside, but hate the look of the seats and the dashboard, the tacho looks rediculous IMO.

Have you also considered any of the Audi range, if yr looking for a hatch, you could try the A3 or perhaps an S3? Ive just bought an S3 (which in std kit produces 154KW), and this thing is doing around 250KW

[DubSteve]

Speak to Paul (Floody) I remember him telling me that he spent the better part of a year looking at getting a mini but then bought a Polo instead.

[callen]

Price wise the mini is in a different class i.e. you could be looking at a golf gti for the same $$$

You would also need to look at practicality, if you are tall you will be very cramped in a mini as they have very little interior space and the rear leg room is completely non-existant.

[SoVeReIgN]

I don't think they are really even in the same market.

The Mini is a (much) better hot hatch imho.

[Sharkie]

Polo is bigger, more spacious, more standard kit.

Mini is more like a go-kart, less space less goodies and now in 1.6T should be a cracker.

AND costs more than $12K more.

You get what you pay for IMO.

[FL00DY]

hey guys since selling my v8 about a month ago ive been wanting to get back into the small car market and ive narrowed it down to either a 2nd hand polo GTi or a Mini cooperS.. ive test driven a mini and was very impressed with power and handling....(it felt nice and strong) hoping to test drive a polo this sunday...
Has anyone got any advise or maybe have also researched these cars and found out some info??

cheers guys any feedback is appreciated.

The difference in the two cars you've mentioned starts at price. If you've said 2nd hand Polo GTI cause you can't afford new then you'll be way off buying a new MCS. As others have said MCS competes with Golf GTI, the Cooper is closer in price to the Polo GTI and whilst it's still a great handling car (prob better then a Polo GTI) is way down on power (88kw vs 110).

When I specced my MCS over 2 years ago I was pushing $45K, I met lots of friends with MINI's and have spent many a weekend chasing them up and down various mountains and around a few race tracks. Is the MCS worth the extra cash? No. Is it a better car yes. I've never been out for a drive and found the GTI lacking power following or leading a pack of MCS's.

If money was no object, I'd buy a MCS JCW you can spec one of those to bout $60K. But back in reality I would still pick the Polo GTI again.

[Flaps]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that your Polo set a faster time then the Mini's on the Mini skid pan day. ;)

[FL00DY]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that your Polo set a faster time then the Mini's on the Mini skid pan day. ;)

hahaha nice :D Yes that's true, the first motorsport I ever did was at the skid pan at EC and my GTI kept beating all the MINI's for time. Just a pitty the day was about consistency and not amazingly fast speed :)

[balkanac]

if you can afford it go for the mini. I drove a 2007 Cooper S Works (turbo model, not supercharged) and it goes like mad!!!! Im 6 foot 3 and i found that its got more space than my R. not sure about the boot thou.

[Flaps]

Hmm I'll have to go for a test drive in a new MCS then because I've flogged the day lights out of a new Pug 207 GTi with the same 1.6T motor and it felt worse then the stock Polo motor.

I'm shocked that the Mini weighs 1205kg's.

[Guy_H]

The new Turbo Mini is awesome, we have been doing some work on one, and after some exhaust work, It dynoed at 147kw @ the wheels, its an awesome little engine that thing (and it has a K02 turbo on it !)

[Flaps]

Hang on it has 128kw stock so I guess it is running the JCW software + exhaust? That's about 165-170kw at the fly.

What boost does it run?

[Guy_H]

Hang on it has 128kw stock so I guess it is running the JCW software + exhaust? That's about 165-170kw at the fly.

What boost does it run?

Nope - no extra's - not even software - that was with An air intake though. We hope to do one shortly with intake / exhaust & software.

You are correct - the gains are huge, we couldn't believe it when we drove it & saw the dyno numbers. We dynoed it at Sherrin motorsport (who run the Mini Challenge) and they were also mega impressed with it.

and correct - about 170kw flywheel :)

[GT3]

and correct - about 170kw flywheel :)

MCS is a hairdresser's car, too gimmicky..

My Pog's got 174 at flywheel and is way cheaper than an MCS. This dude should drive mine, chances are he'd buy it, ..unless he's a hairdresser :confused:

[FL00DY]

MCS is a hairdresser's car, too gimmicky..

My Pog's got 174 at flywheel and is way cheaper than an MCS. This dude should drive mine, chances are he'd buy it, ..unless he's a hairdresser :confused:

You ever been around a race track in one? Writing off the MCS as a hairdressers car is so wrong you have no idea. Out of the 20 or so people I know driving them, half of who track their cars 2-4 times a year (one of them a woman or does BDD's every month), one of them is gay and he's got a purple MCS Cabrio. Hairdressers car is just such a BS statement.

[Guy_H]

MCS is a hairdresser's car, too gimmicky..

My Pog's got 174 at flywheel and is way cheaper than an MCS. This dude should drive mine, chances are he'd buy it, ..unless he's a hairdresser :confused:

Actually in this case they were biased :D It was the local Mini dealer - they took our polo for a drive & came back very white. Apparently the blood didn't make it back to their knuckles for 2 days!

[GT3]

Hairdressers car is just such a BS statement.

Take a chill-pill Floody, I know the MCS are good cars.

Even if you overlooked the fact that most of the MCS design, eg interior, is aimed at appealing to a fashion-conscious market, performance wise, there's better cars for the money. ..and it's trendy design makes it an unworkable long-term proposition, eg zero rear space for passengers or anything!

[FL00DY]

Take a chill-pill Floody, I know the MCS are good cars.

Even if you overlooked the fact that most of the MCS design, eg interior, is aimed at appealing to a fashion-conscious market, performance wise, there's better cars for the money. ..and it's trendy design makes it an unworkable long-term proposition, eg zero rear space for passengers or anything!

I do agree there are better performance cars for the money, the same as our cars. However if you look at the segments of the market, our Polo GTI's are top of the list, unless you prefer to go fast in a straight line and don't mind spending more then $30K-$35K. The MINI and Golf GTI can be specced for bout the same money but do two very different jobs, MINI is still one of the best handlers in the current hot hatch segment. And yeah I understand what you mean about trend and fashion conscious. When ever I'm Melb around Chapel street I always notice how many MINI's there are around and not one of them is a MCS because half the people buying wouldn't know what a supercharger or turbo was.

[GT3]

around Chapel street I always notice how many MINI's there are around and not one of them is a MCS because half the people buying wouldn't know what a supercharger or turbo was.

Some of the hairdressers around there have turbo and supercharged hair-dryers - so they might :D

[GT3]

Actually in this case they were biased :D It was the local Mini dealer - they took our polo for a drive & came back very white. Apparently the blood didn't make it back to their knuckles for 2 days!

ha ha ha ..that's the great thing about highly-modified Polo GTIs, you feel every single damn kilowatt through the chassis, not to mention wheel-spin etc etc, it feels at least 3 times faster than what it really is. Which makes it perfect for scaring ppl sh*tless :D Perfect APR demo car ;)

[Manaz]

Cooper S will have more status but is also perceived more of a "girls car" than a Polo GTI.

Maybe within the Polo-owning community, but generally the Polo is perceived more of a girls car than a Mini.

[Jnr]

settle guys, any thanks for all your feedback.
just to clarify a few things, i was in the market for a 2nd hand mini also. so i can pick up a 2002/3 mini for 25k and a near new vw go for as low as 20k.... both with similar power.. only thing that is leading me more towards a vw (without test driving it yet) is the fact that the vw is going to have alot less klms and still under waranty and since there are a hell of a lot easier to work on them unlike the cramped mini engine bay..

[GT3]

settle guys, any thanks for all your feedback.

yeah ok been bit silly :D ..I seriously considered the MCS too. Here's why I went for the Polo GTI - unless you get the newer MCS versions (turbo) you have little choice other than an older supercharged one. There's a reason why BMW moved to turbo - superchargers generally kick-in at the top end, and when you drive the MCS, that's exactly what you notice, it's really lacking up to 5rpm. The Polo GTI has the KO3S turbo, but it's matched to a compression ratio that brings the power on early with virtually no lag, with plenty of torque and a wide, usable spread of power. If you chip and improve flow on a KO3S, you can get massive amounts of power out of them, more than the chassis can deal with.

This is why VW use both a super charger and turbo on the new GT - turbo for low down power, supercharger for up top.

[Timbo]

This is why VW use both a super charger and turbo on the new GT - turbo for low down power, supercharger for up top. :o:???:
..er...no...exactly the opposite, actually. :rolleyes:

[GT3]

:o:???:
..er...no...exactly the opposite, actually. :rolleyes:

..I did get it the wrong way around too :) ..oh well, you get the idea

[Mischa]

yeah ok been bit silly :D ..I seriously considered the MCS too. Here's why I went for the Polo GTI - unless you get the newer MCS versions (turbo) you have little choice other than an older supercharged one. There's a reason why BMW moved to turbo - superchargers generally kick-in at the top end, and when you drive the MCS, that's exactly what you notice, it's really lacking up to 5rpm. The Polo GTI has the KO3S turbo, but it's matched to a compression ratio that brings the power on early with virtually no lag, with plenty of torque and a wide, usable spread of power. If you chip and improve flow on a KO3S, you can get massive amounts of power out of them, more than the chassis can deal with.

This is why VW use both a super charger and turbo on the new GT - turbo for low down power, supercharger for up top.

that statement makes no sense whatsoever. you're incredibly confused.

[Jnr]

yeah opposite, superchargers have constant boost from the get go.. but we get the idea...
yeah that new golf gt is wickd.. 1.4l turbo/supercharged with 124kw or something like that..

well i guess tomorrow when i test drive the polo will be the day to decide....

plus if anyone knows of anyone with a white or silver one for sale that is in the low 20k bracket let me know... cheers

[Mischa]

yeah opposite, superchargers have constant boost from the get go.. but we get the idea...
yeah that new golf gt is wickd.. 1.4l turbo/supercharged with 124kw or something like that..

well i guess tomorrow when i test drive the polo will be the day to decide....

plus if anyone knows of anyone with a white or silver one for sale that is in the low 20k bracket let me know... cheers

to confuse you im gonna say bora v6 4motion. 150kw, 4wd, leather, sunroof for 20k ;)

[shaneth]

to confuse you im gonna say bora v6 4motion. 150kw, 4wd, leather, sunroof for 20k ;)

Once again depends on what he wants from a car. But dam i do love the Bora

[RhysQ]

to confuse you im gonna say bora v6 4motion. 150kw, 4wd, leather, sunroof for 20k ;)

yeah the bora is a nice car but i'm guessing he wants something with a little bite.

details on the v6 4motion bora (as per redbook):

- 150kW
- 270Nm
- 1457 kgs
- 0-100km/h = 10secs :(

with the 4motion system, you lose a lot of power getting that 150kW to all fours. for example, as seen on our recent brissy dyno day, the mkIV golf R32 is rated at 177kW at the flywheel. on the dyno, it pulled 122.1kW at the wheels, thats a big loss through the 4motion system.

my Polo GTI only has the APR ecu (rated by APR at 152kW at the fly) and pulled a 122.2kW at the wheels on the same dyno.

Cheers,
Rhys

[Mischa]

;156506']
- 0-100km/h = 10secs :(



that figure is wrong

0-100 for bora v6 is 7.1

[Timbo]

Source? Not 10s, but 7.4s from what I've read

Another obvious alternative is a Mk IV GTI, or a 1.8T Audi (possibly Quattro)

[Lima]

I've never driven a Pogo, but have been on enough drives with FL00DY and, as he said, he's never really been found wanting for pace. Only at Wakefield do the MINIs appear to have a slight advantage.

Beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder, so it will come as no surprise that I rate all aspects of the MINIs looks way ahead of the Polo. Besides, how many complete strangers have come up to Polo drivers and gone, gee I love your car, or I used to have one of these in the 60s it was great, how does it go ... and so on. It has died down a little, but even today, 6 years after launch the MINI still makes people smile.

While I understand the Polo is lighter than the Golf, I've driven enough Volkswagens to know that I'd be surprised if the Polo felt anywhere near as precise and immediate as the MINI. Our Golf GTI may be quicker from point A to point B compared to the MINI (may not be either, would be very close) but the MINI is always the more rewarding drive. You have to work much harder, the steering is heavier, the clutch/gearchange is heavier, but it's hard to explain, on a twisty mountain drive in the MINI you feel at one with the car, in our Golf, as quick as it is, you still feel a bit disconnected.

Many may not enjoy it, but the supercharger whine and exhaust pop and crackle on overrun also adds to the MINIs driving pleasure. No other car in its class sounds anything like it.

The MINI really is a very, very good car. Overpriced, perhaps, but as a driving tool, they should never be underestimated.

That said, if you want to save your cash and get a car that is fun to drive, and easy to mod, a Polo GTI is a no brainer, just do it.


Also, if you would like a bit more power, the Cooper S is fairly expensive to take to 150kw, while the Polo is 10mins and less than $2K.

I suppose it depends on what you classify as fairly expensive. On a supercharged MCS, if you're able to do the mechanical work yourself, for under $1500 you can have an MCS that is at least on par with a JCW, most likely a fraction quicker.

Here's a list of my mods, with dyno runs to go with...
Stock/baseline 106kW
+ ALTA cold air intake (AU$400) 118kW
+ Milltek cat-back (AU$1500) 115kW (oops, haha, sounds good though, and drives better)
+ 15% pulley & MTH Tuner reflash (AU$200 / $550) 136kW* (approx 155kW at the crank)
(*Car has run on another dyno and got 127kW)

As you can see it is the pulley and CAI that do all the work. If you can do the mods yourself, you should comfortably get 20kW at the wheels for under $1000. The ECU reflash on the MINI (in my experience), despite MTH's claims, adds little to no power, but improves driveability.

Yes, nowhere near as easy as a reflash on a Polo, but hardly cost prohibitive either, plus you can enjoy the fun/experience of modding the car yourself, if that's your thing, which it has been for me.



Hmm I'll have to go for a test drive in a new MCS then because I've flogged the day lights out of a new Pug 207 GTi with the same 1.6T motor and it felt worse then the stock Polo motor.

I've driven both and I thought the Pug was okay, or at least better than I thought it would be. But the R56 MINI, as a pure driver's car, is comfortably ahead in all aspects, and around 150kg lighter IIRC. Even a Clubman Cooper S is better than the Pug.

So there's a few points to consider from the other side. :)

Cheers Liam

[RhysQ]

that figure is wrong

0-100 for bora v6 is 7.1



Source? Not 10s, but 7.4s from what I've read

Another obvious alternative is a Mk IV GTI, or a 1.8T Audi (possibly Quattro)

what are your sources....?

mine is http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/specs.php?id=107496

redbook apparently only post information given from the manufacturers.

[VW GTI]

Mischa is wrong too.

It's 7.4 on all the sites I looked at. Also looks like the car has 149.9 kw, not 150 as well :)

[Jnr]

thanks for the feedback liam and everyone, much appreciated.
test drove the polo gti today, and it was very nice. felt strong and well put together as youd expect from a new car and also has a great standard tone. first gear felt good, could feel a lil boost kicking in but felt that second gear was lacking a little bit.anyone agree and how much difference is there after chipping and will it wheel spin just by puttin the foot flat stick??. anyone know what boost they run standard and what boost they run after chipping them??

[QUOTE=minigolf;156746]

That said, if you want to save your cash and get a car that is fun to drive, and easy to mod, a Polo GTI is a no brainer, just do it.

All in all i think id have to agree with liam, i can have a fun, reliable, quick, and easy car to work on with the potential of more power, fully insured with still new car warrenty for around the 25k mark(second hand)... and thats hard to beat... so for me i think the polo is a thumbs up..

[Timbo]

;156752']what are your sources....?
http://www.worldofmotorsports.com/car/tech_spec.asp?specID=17355&make=Volkswagen

[GT3]

Besides, how many complete strangers have come up to Polo drivers and gone, gee I love your car, or I used to have one of these in the 60s it was great, how does it go ... and so on.

12 kw from the intake alone, amasing isn't?

While the Polo GTI hasn't been around as long as the 'original' mini, it still is a GTI, and draws on the famous and highly regarded GTI heritage. Remember, VW invented the hot hatch GTI concept in 1976. The Polo GTI still carries the red line around the grill and the retro tartan seats, just like the original GTI.

..and Jeremy Clarkson isn't the only motoring journo I've read to say that the Polo GTI is the spirtual successor of the orginal GTI. Meaning the Golf has become too up-market and heavy, while the Polo GTI retains the simplicity of the original, small, agile hatch.

Both the Golf GTI and MCS are brilliant cars in their own right, but a direct comparison (particularly at the price point) isn't really valid IMO.

[shaneth]

Sorry GT3 Mini cooper S released in 1963. WIth 53kw apparently according to wiki. (dam thats alot for the age and size.)


A more powerful Mini Cooper, dubbed the "S", was developed in tandem and released in 1963.

[GT3]

Sorry GT3 Mini cooper S released in 1963. WIth 53kw apparently according to wiki. (dam thats alot for the age and size.)

Sure, but I was referring to the "GTI" concept - which does have heritage and history too.

[shaneth]

Sure, but I was referring to the "GTI" concept - which does have heritage and history too.

Of course it does ;) just playingj:

[VW GTI]

test drove the polo gti today, and it was very nice. felt strong and well put together as youd expect from a new car and also has a great standard tone. first gear felt good, could feel a lil boost kicking in but felt that second gear was lacking a little bit.anyone agree and how much difference is there after chipping and will it wheel spin just by puttin the foot flat stick??. anyone know what boost they run standard and what boost they run after chipping them??

Chipping the Polo GTI doesn't just up the boost like many remaps do. I'm not sure the difference in boost is any more than a couple psi. But... the difference from stock to chipped though, is incredible. I find 2nd gear to be by far the best in mine (it is chipped), 1st will spin the wheels if you don't use it nicely, 2nd gets the power down really well all the way from 40km/h right up to 100.

It is claimed to make the car 2 seconds quicker from 0-100. I wouldn't disagree with that.

[Lima]

...how much difference is there after chipping and will it wheel spin just by puttin the foot flat stick??

Before the MINI I had a chipped Mk4 GTI, which ran a conventional throttle cable 1.8T. The difference after being chipped is definitely noticeable, especially in 1st-3rd gears. With the Polo having the improved drive-by-wire 1.8T, which responds better to chipping, and it's lack of weight compared to the Mk4, I dare say spinning the wheels in 2nd gear will be no problem at all, and over all the enjoyment factory of driving the car will improve greatly.



12 kw from the intake alone, amasing isn't?

Yeah, most people don't believe it, and to be honest I don't blame them as I probably wouldn't either. Regardless of the accuracy or otherwise of the figure, the CAI has made the car breathe much, much better past about 4000rpm and increased throttle response markedly. As far as butt dyno goes, it felt like a 12kW improvement, haha.



Sure, but I was referring to the "GTI" concept - which does have heritage and history too.

I agree with you, and I've owned two Golf GTIs (Mk4 and Mk5) and dream of owning a mint Mk1 GTI one day ... but, trust me, apart from Volkswagen enthusiasts, they don't compare to the goodwill the MINI has. For example, I've never driven past a bunch of school kids in the Golf and heard them go "wooaaahhh a Golf GTI", but I've lost count of the number of times that has happened with the MINI. This doesn't make the MINI a better car, of course it doesn't, but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't make you feel good and put a smile on your own face as big as theirs.

:cool:

[GT3]

I'm not sure the difference in boost is any more than a couple psi.

It's a fair bit more than that, goes from 6-7 psi well into the mid-teens. Not sure what the exact, precise psi max is, ...but heaven forbid if i'm out by one psi, I'll be technically corrected :n:

[VW GTI]

It's a fair bit more than that, goes from 6-7 psi well into the mid-teens. Not sure what the exact, precise psi max is, ...but heaven forbid if i'm out by one psi, I'll be technically corrected :n:

I believe it goes from 8.7psi to 14.5psi.

[LoriJarrod]

Tell you what,

If you get a nice cooper S with low k's for mid 20's, I'll swap you my 07 GTI Polo with 14,000km.

**My Opinion**

As someone who has owned both and done well over 100,000km in a Mini I could never recommend one over a Polo. Twice the car. At the end of the day they both suck at performance, so that should not be the deciding factor.

A mini with exhaust and some nicely offset wheels looks around 11tybillion times more credible than a Polo.

IMO, I honestly believe my wife made a mistake when choosing a new Polo over a Mini, so that's my experience.

[mitch_gti]

Arnt you a sour little grape Lori.


j:

[GT3]

I've never driven past a bunch of school kids in the Golf and heard them go "wooaaahhh a Golf GTI", but I've lost count of the number of times that has happened with the MINI.

If getting attention is important to you, then the Mini will deliver more in that respect. However, some of us Polo GTI owners, like me, couldn't justify the extra cost (it's significant) for similar performance with less (or no) room inside. Unless you get a much older MCS with high klms, you're essentially paying an extra 10+k for the 'cool' factor IMO.

[LoriJarrod]

Arnt you a sour little grape Lori.


j:

That's an understatement. ;):):):)


It's Volkswagen(Aus) as a company that has tipped me over the edge. Completely pathetic in comparison to BMW-Mini.

The worst part is, I have an ethical problem in on-selling this poor little lemon to either another dealership(trade-in) or a private buyer. So I guess we're stuck with it for the foreseeable future.

[VW GTI]

That's an understatement. ;):):):)


It's Volkswagen(Aus) as a company that has tipped me over the edge. Completely pathetic in comparison to BMW-Mini.

The worst part is, I have an ethical problem in on-selling this poor little lemon to either another dealership(trade-in) or a private buyer. So I guess we're stuck with it for the foreseeable future.

That sounds more like a dealer issue. I've not had a problem with mine at all. We have had 3 BMWs (all 318i) in our family and 2 VAG (Audi A4, VW Polo GTI) cars. All from brand new. Mum couldn't have been happier with 1 or the 3 BMWs (the other 2 were poor in comparison).

Neither the Audi or VW have failed to impress every time we hop in them.

At least when you make a recommendation, say from the start that you had a poor experience and that's fueling the fire. Rather than just putting it down.

The Polo is a much better car when you think of the extra 15k you would have in your pocket. Compare the Mini to the Golf.

[Koz]

[QUOTE=Jnr;156822]
anyone know what boost they run standard and what boost they run after chipping them??

[QUOTE=minigolf;156746]

I "think" standard boost on the Polo is around 7 psi but I "know" with a remap the boost spikes at 21-22psi. :o



Colin

[insanekiwi]

Yes, my REVO boosts at around 22psi at peak.

[Eddy]

Hoyhoy.
I think you will find standard boost is around 14.5 to 15psi. or one bar which is 14.7psi.

[MACCAA]

[QUOTE=Jnr;156822]
anyone know what boost they run standard and what boost they run after chipping them??

[QUOTE=minigolf;156746]

I "think" standard boost on the Polo is around 7 psi but I "know" with a remap the boost spikes at 21-22psi. :o



Colin

Depends what remap.21-22psi is a bit on the high side though.Mine is an Oettinger peaking at 16psi,Timbo's Revo remap peaks at 19.5psi on a 98ron map.
Standard boost was around 9psi from memory.

[Bubu]

Really!! "22psi" !!:o

Thanks for telling me I was gonna get a boost gauge that only went to 20psi.

[Jnr]

hey found it guys.....
the polo runs a standard of 10Psi but can handle a max of 24Psi...whooo thats gotta be fun.. just dont know how much the motor can handle and how much they boost them to with a chip to be safe and reliable...

http://www1.autotrader.com.au/Mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/14FEEC6CA38FDD88CA2570D7000A75BE

[WHTPOLOGTI]

anybody with a revo remap here? just wondering how much PSI they run in the polo gti. hopefully not 22PSI. thats a bit high isnt it?

[LoriJarrod]

Do many people with boost mods run Electronic Boost controllers?

Does a 22psi remap get much boost spike in cold conditions?

[Timbo]

Mine's a REVO -- ^^ see MACCAA's response

[Guy_H]

From another K03 / boost thread question:

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showpost.php?p=152168&postcount=12

[Flaps]

From memory my APR'd Polo would spike to 1.4bar. :confused:

[Guy_H]

Not if everthing was in good working order - .2 bar overboost is about it (~ 19psi) If you are making more than that, I would pop in to your tuner & see whats wrong (assuming you have no other boost control devices in line)

Spiking beyond 20psi doesn't do anything for your power curve & driveability. What you need is a nice sustained boost curve to make it fast & driveable.

[Koz]

Not if everthing was in good working order - .2 bar overboost is about it (~ 19psi) If you are making more than that, I would pop in to your tuner & see whats wrong (assuming you have no other boost control devices in line)

Spiking beyond 20psi doesn't do anything for your power curve & driveability. What you need is a nice sustained boost curve to make it fast & driveable.

hmmmm. looks like I have to see my closet APR dealer because my dyno graph shows peak about 20 psi! :(

[Guy_H]

hmmmm. looks like I have to see my closet APR dealer because my dyno graph shows peak about 20 psi! :(

If thats just the vac refernce of the dyno, thats fine, normally they plug it off the fuel pressure regulator or the manifold at a dyno which can vary a few psi either way.

Since you have a Polo, you have a boost sensor which reads actual boost (= or - .005 %) - you simply have to data log this. Its pretty simple - requested boost vs actual boost and they should run pretty close to each other.

Log yours & print the plots in excel - I just did a quick web search & here are some for you. If you need it checked out, drop it back to your APR dealer & he will sort it for you - no problems at all. :)

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=64753