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Seano
25-07-2006, 12:06 PM
Hey there

Lurking around on the UK T4 Forum http://vwt4.forumsplace.com/message2936.html has turned an interesting engine mod that seems a little too good to be true and I'd be curious to hear what you all think.

The mod refers at this stage to the 5cyl 2.5 TDi motor from the later T4s. The simplest application occurs in the 75kW ACV motor that is pretty common in Oz after about 2000.

Basically the mod consists of the replacement of the stock injector nozzles with the injector nozzles used in the 110kW TDi motor from the long nose T4 (a model we didn't see in Oz?) which has the front mounted intercooler. The main difference between the two nozzles is the internal diameter - the 110kW nozzles are larger.

Once the nozzles are fitted then the fuel flow at idle is adjusted and away you go. The person who fitted this mod claimed a 40% increase in power on the dyno straight away. However, the vehicle ECU was then remapped on the dyno which resulted in another power increase........the proponents suggested that the final result was about a 50% increase in power output in the ACV motor, no idea on torque...

In every other way this vehicle appears to be stock. No extra air in or out, same intercooler etc.

Not surprisingly I'd be quite interested in this mod as bang for buck appears to be quite solid over the normal 'insert chip here' routine.

However, I'm aware that nothing comes for free. And my main concern here would be the impact of the mod on typical engine operation parameters such as temperature......or does the remap process remediate these concerns by balancing and controlling the extra fuel delivery capacity?

What do you lot think?

Edison
25-07-2006, 12:34 PM
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peter_j_g
25-07-2006, 04:25 PM
Changing nozzles is a common mod on TDis. Generally most tuners here do a nozzle swap first, then follow it up later with an ECU remap. I have a 110hp TDi passat, swapping the nozzles brings 135hp, then the remap brings 150hp. Ypu would get prportional increases on your T4. The limiting factor is not cooling, it's the clutches ability to handle the torque! On the golf & passat clutch slip is almost garanteed if you do both nozzles & chip...

Here's some detail on nozzles:

http://www.kermatdi.com

brackie
25-07-2006, 05:09 PM
Larger nozzle diameter=more fuel delivery per injection phase=more fuel consumed. I believe the remap compensates pretty well but the bottom line is that you can't get something for nothing. If you use the extra power then you'll use the extra fuel. Also bear in mind that although diesels are built stongly they have a physical limit in what they can endure. Ask too much and you're asking for trouble. Don't get me wrong.... I'm not saying, "Don't do it!" only that you have to remember why you bought a diesel. It seems a pity to compromise reliabilty, longevity and fuel economy for tyre-burning performance.

Seano
26-07-2006, 01:54 PM
I understand it's a given that if you exploit the extra power/torque then you'll chew the fuel no question. I can to a certain extent deal with that. Mostly because that comes down to personal choice.

In many ways I'm trying simply to improve the flexibility of the engine as opposed to gain the tenth degree of power you can wring out of the thing. My DOKA seems to spend its time either cruising long distances or carrying heavy loads around town so flexibility is important to me.....not traffic light drags.

My main concern is the mechanical implications of the extra power & torque. Mostly to the engine. But the driveline did cross my mind!

What exactly does a remap involve and can any decent diesel jockey perform one or is it a strictly specialist operation?