Future Global Bestseller ID.4?

[phaeton]

Could ID.4 replace the Tiguan as the bestselling Volkswagen in the Passenger cars lineup globally?

FAW Volkswagen ID.4 CROZZ (global verion)

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SAIC Volkswagen ID.4 X

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[phaeton]

The new Volkswagen ID.4 – World premiere of the fully electrically driven SUV (https://vwnewsblog.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-new-volkswagen-id4-world-premiere.html)

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[Ozsko]

In Europe & the US it will be a big seller but in other less populated parts of the world it be be less so due to lack of charging infrastructure especially in the more remote regions of some countries. I would have an electric car in a heart beat if they were a sensible price for the car I want as for my use range anxiety is not an issue as it isn't for most people, they just pretend it is because some day they might want to drive outside a major metro area. Some people do have a genuine reason that range might be an issue but most don't despite their protests. If all the people who pretended that it will prevent them driving to Melbourne from Sydney actually did it there would be traffic jams on the Hume highway. Cue the protests......5,4,3,2,1 go.

[DrMat]

Ditto... would have no problem owning one for the driving i do most of the time if the cost wasn't prohibitive. That's a decent looking car from the outside... not sure on those seats though!

[billybones]

Looks good. It will not be a competitor of Tesla Model S but I think that it will do its job perfectly.

[Sydneykid]

Next time you talk (or correspond) with than electric car fanatic ask them how many cars are there in their family unit and how many are electric and how many have an ICE (hybrid or otherwise)? Many decline to answer because it destroys their argument. Those that do respond have on average twice as many ICE power vehicles (as electric) because in their family an electric vehicle has shortcomings. Be it range, charging time, no garage/carport for charging (on street parking only), load carrying capacity, towing limitations, purchase cost, poor quality control, etc or a combination of all those factors.

Cheers
Gary

[Ozsko]

Why is someone who likes electric cars a fanatic? Is someone who likes ICE cars a fanatic?

[billybones]

I think that you must try at least 20 differnet cars to understand whuich one better to say which you like. I can drive one car today and say that it is perfect. Tomorrow I can buy the electric car and say that it is the best one I've ever had.

[Mr T.]

I’ve been following a few Electric car reviewers and Thomas is one of my favourites. Can’t wait for more options in the market. The eMini could be a good city car, I’d love a Fiat 500e but all different use cases.

Finally! The ?EV Tiguan? arrived! Driving the VW ID4 electric SUV - YouTube (https://youtu.be/djBdATFcj7U)


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[billybones]

Thanks for sharing. Will take a look.

[m88vet]

count me in ... is there a release date for OZ for the id3 and 4 ? i also like the skoda Eynaq... mayeb even better that the 1d4 ? i hope that the gov come to the party and encourage Evs rather than discourage .... :banana:

electric Amarok maybe !!

[nermal]

I've rented/driven a few Teslas in the US and Australia (including a Model S P90D) - just had my Model 3 deposit refunded the other day too (from when they were in pre-release - too small/tight/uncomfortable). Telsas have awesome performance and automation, but lack the details/feel to back it up - hard touch surfaces, "vegan leather" (aka vinyl) etc.

My ideal VW would have the looks, comfort and tech of an Arteon, handle like an R36 and have the raw power/torque/throttle response, violent acceleration, "fuel economy" and self driving ability of a Model S with Ludicrous mode. If VW could offer this at a half reasonable price, I'd be very happy.

Hopefully VW will have something exciting on offer by the time I'm ready to replace the Arteon.

[nermal]

Was using the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) in the Arteon today and it has improved a bit since I first tried VW tech in a loaner Passat Alltrack Wolfsburg - my experience then was "OMG it's trying to kill me!" .. had test driven a Tesla a few weeks prior and assumed it'd be similar.

The Arteon is still not as good at "self-driving" as a Tesla, but has improved. I only had to hit the brakes once - it slowed down correctly behind a car stopped at a red light, but strangely accelerated a bit toward the end at ~30km/hr, which made me really nervous and I took over the brakes.

Got me thinking about the fact that the car in front had it's brake lights on... As a human driver, as soon as the car in front puts it's brakes on, my foot goes straight from the accelerator to hovering-over/applying the brake.

It wouldn't be too hard for the VW engineers to capture enough forward-facing footage in a variety of light conditions (and car-in-front colors etc) to train a convolution network ("AI") to detect brake lights on the car in front. IMO the ACC should (practically) never accelerate when the car in front has it's brake lights on.

[doc_777]

The ID range is a definite option for my wife and I moving forward. Our current vehicle needs are covered by the A4 and Troc, but the next cars - I can see at least 1 ID in there. I like the conventionally of them - not having to relearn near 40 years of how to use indicators for instance (why did Tesla put that on the steering wheel???), having a speedo and other essential gauges in front of the driver…etc. One of the major factors for us though, is our relationship with our VW/Audi dealer - for many years now we’ve received such exceptional service from them, that our vehicle choices extend to what we can purchase from that particular dealership. So ID it will be :)

[iampivot]

Are they ever going on sale in the Australia, and at what price?

[Sharkie]

Are they ever going on sale in the Australia, and at what price?

Q4 2024 I'm told. No idea on price, better be cheap as EV prices are collapsing new and used.

[Sharkie]

I have a ID-Buzz GTX on order, cherry red and silver combo colour option, expected delivery end Q1 2025. The order is subject to price (was told to expect $90K+ !!!) as to me VW needs to be aware that EV prices are in freefall in Aus now.

The alternative for me is a Cupra Born. I like the look and 1 year old demos with less than 5000km are less then $50K now (RRP new $66K) and still 100% eligible for the FBT tax waiver. It is just an ID3 in a prettier skin.

[Corey_R]

The price of the ID.4 and ID.5 in NZ has changed from NZ$79,990 to NZ$59,990 recently. It's still showing as a "Special price" rather than the "New" price, but I hope that these come out in AU closer to $60k than $80k!

The ID.Buzz was always going to be a higher priced car given the cost of the Transporters in AU.
ID.Buzz Cargo has been announced at AU$79,990 for the SWB (before onroads)
ID.Buzz Pro SWB at $87,990
ID.Buzz Pro LWB $91,290
ID.Buzz GTX LWB $109,990
See: https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-volkswagen-id-buzz-price-and-specs/

I personally hope that they'll bring the ID.7 Tourer to Aus :)

[Sharkie]

The price of the ID.4 and ID.5 in NZ has changed from NZ$79,990 to NZ$59,990 recently. It's still showing as a "Special price" rather than the "New" price, but I hope that these come out in AU closer to $60k than $80k!

The ID.Buzz was always going to be a higher priced car given the cost of the Transporters in AU.
ID.Buzz Cargo has been announced at AU$79,990 for the SWB (before onroads)
ID.Buzz Pro SWB at $87,990
ID.Buzz Pro LWB $91,290
ID.Buzz GTX LWB $109,990
See: https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-volkswagen-id-buzz-price-and-specs/

I personally hope that they'll bring the ID.7 Tourer to Aus :)

Yep, my dealer advised me late yesterday afternoon the ID.Buzz GTX LWB will be $109,990 + onroads. This makes it ineligible for the FBT waiver on a lease so, I already notified them of the cancellation of my order. Its not worth that much IMO :(

[Corey_R]

Yeah - that is a bummer.
I would say that the GTX in the Buzz is pointless and you should just get the Pro LWB that does fit within the FBT waiver. But without seeing the specs, it could be a case like in the UK where the GTX models often include most of the options already, so often ends up about the same price as a Pro with all the options.

[Sharkie]

Yeah - that is a bummer.
I would say that the GTX in the Buzz is pointless and you should just get the Pro LWB that does fit within the FBT waiver. But without seeing the specs, it could be a case like in the UK where the GTX models often include most of the options already, so often ends up about the same price as a Pro with all the options.

Yup, all the options are standard (including the Panoramic sunroof and HUD) on the GTX plus it has a few GTX only colours and some GTX only trim. Addding those options to the Pro will undoubtedly add $10K-$15K to the Pro price.

As a bonus you get AWD and 0-100 in 6s, which was the main attraction to me :facepalm:

On the ID3/4/5 side, I think they all look too "Chinese" and not European at all. Hence my preference for a Cupra Born, which looks (and drives) like a proper euro hatch.

[iampivot]

Did you ask the dealer about the ID.4/5 prices?

[nermal]

Did you ask the dealer about the ID.4/5 prices?

Any 0-100 km/h times? Last time I checked, they were still slow.

There was a Cupra Born that kept trying to go me the other day in my (stage 2) Arteon. I decided to put him in his place at the next set of lights and was ahead by ~2x car lengths within a block, before hitting the speed limit and having to slow down for my turn. It was disappointingly slow for an electric car.