Castrol edge 5w30 LL or A3/A4 for mk6 gti

[dj88]

Hi guys, just wondering which one is applicable for mk6 GTI?

Castrol site says LL, but other have told me LL is for diesel cars?

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[Lucas_R]

The one on the right (A3/A4). On the back of the bottle it should say that it meets VW 502/504 spec which is the spec for modern VW/Audi petrol and diesel engines.

Regarding Longlife, we generally don't use that spec in Australia as we have shorter service intervals.

Another option (although not on sale at the moment so its quite a bit more expensive than the Castrol) is Penrite Enviro+ which actually meets a higher/newer spec for VW engines which is VW 504/507. I have used the Penrite Enviro+ for a number of years in my Mk6 R, Mk6 GTI and now an Audi SQ5 and prefer the Penrite over other brands.

Penrite Enviro+ Engine Oil - 5W-30 5 Litre | Supercheap Auto (https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/penrite-penrite-enviro-engine-oil---5w-30-5-litre/283980.html#q=penrite+enviro%2B&segment=1&page=1)

[ope126]

The one on the right (A3/A4). On the back of the bottle it should say that it meets VW 502/504 spec which is the spec for modern VW/Audi petrol and diesel engines.

Regarding Longlife, we generally don't use that spec in Australia as we have shorter service intervals.

Another option (although not on sale at the moment so its quite a bit more expensive than the Castrol) is Penrite Enviro+ which actually meets a higher/newer spec for VW engines which is VW 504/507. I have used the Penrite Enviro+ for a number of years in my Mk6 R, Mk6 GTI and now an Audi SQ5 and prefer the Penrite over other brands.

Penrite Enviro+ Engine Oil - 5W-30 5 Litre | Supercheap Auto (https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/penrite-penrite-enviro-engine-oil---5w-30-5-litre/283980.html#q=penrite+enviro%2B&segment=1&page=1)

Actually the one on the left is the better choice (Castrol Edge 5W-30 LL (VW 504/507))...

Here is Castrol's Lube Guide; Castrol Australia - NetLube (http://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/castr_au/)

Here is Penrite's Lube Guide; Penrite Australia - NetLube (https://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/)

Both state VW 504/507 for the MK6 Golf GTI.

Infact, most VW Vehicle now days can use the VW 504/507 spec.

I have been using Castrol Edge 5W-30 LL in all my VAG cars over many years...

From the castrol site; Castrol EDGE is exclusively recommended by Volkswagen, and EDGE 5W-30 LL is approved for use in petrol and diesel VW Group vehicles requiring a VW 504 00 / 507 00 SAE 5W-30 lubricant. This includes diesel vehicles equipped with a diesel particulate filter as well as fulfilling the former VW 503 01 specification.

Manufacturer Approvals:

MB-Approval 229.31/ 229.51
Porsche C30
VW 504 00/ 507 00 (also fulfils the requirements of the former VW 503 01 specification)

[Lucas_R]

I stand corrected - i assumed the one on the left was a diesel specific oil based off the description. Turns out (when i actually look the product up on the Supercheap site) that this oil is actually the better choice for you (although the other one would also work).

The problem with Castrol is that they have so many variations/versions of the Edge product, but they all look exactly the damn same unless you very carefully read the label. They need to introduce some colours or variations in the the bottle/label to allow customers to easily identify which oil they need. For example, with the Penrite i use, my Lexus uses HPR5 5w40 which has some purple colouring on the label. So i go straight to the Penrite section with the purple labels and find the one i need. With my Audi i use Enviro+ 5w-30 which has some green colouring on the label - once again easy to find.

PS - that Castrol doesnt have the best reviews.

[Guest001]

The truth is taht teh right hand one is suitable for PETROL engines only

and the LEFT one is suitable for BOTH PETROL AND DIESEL as it is a higher spec oil

The Penrite Enviro+ is what I have been using since both my cars were new and is usually cheaper whn on special than the Castrol.

Just make sure it the Plain + version and not the GF5 which is for GM cars

[dj88]

Actually the one on the left is the better choice (Castrol Edge 5W-30 LL (VW 504/507))...

Here is Castrol's Lube Guide; Castrol Australia - NetLube (http://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/castr_au/)

Here is Penrite's Lube Guide; Penrite Australia - NetLube (https://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/)

Both state VW 504/507 for the MK6 Golf GTI.

Infact, most VW Vehicle now days can use the VW 504/507 spec.

I have been using Castrol Edge 5W-30 LL in all my VAG cars over many years...

From the castrol site; Castrol EDGE is exclusively recommended by Volkswagen, and EDGE 5W-30 LL is approved for use in petrol and diesel VW Group vehicles requiring a VW 504 00 / 507 00 SAE 5W-30 lubricant. This includes diesel vehicles equipped with a diesel particulate filter as well as fulfilling the former VW 503 01 specification.

Manufacturer Approvals:

MB-Approval 229.31/ 229.51
Porsche C30
VW 504 00/ 507 00 (also fulfils the requirements of the former VW 503 01 specification)

Thanks for clarifying that. I thought this was the case, but some people on facebook said LL was for diesel, so just wanted to clarify.

[Guest001]

Thanks for clarifying that. I thought this was the case, but some people on facebook said LL was for diesel, so just wanted to clarify.

Your petrol engine requires an oil of 502/505 spec which is the right hand one but can use a higher spec oil which is the left one and that is primarily for diesels but can also be used in petrols. It does however cost more for no great gain The 504/507 is usually well over $70 at RRP

[dj88]

Your petrol engine requires an oil of 502/505 spec which is the right hand one but can use a higher spec oil which is the left one and that is primarily for diesels but can also be used in petrols. It does however cost more for no great gain The 504/507 is usually well over $70 at RRPAh ok great, so can use either. That's the main thing I wanted to clarify haha

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[Guest001]

Ah ok great, so can use either. That's the main thing I wanted to clarify haha

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Yes they are both "Approved" Vw oils so check on the bottle it has that as there are lots of olis similar but not Approved

[vdubbed12]

Can we use Castrol Magnatec Diesel DX5W40 in MK6 GTI? Car feels a bit heavier on acceleration immediately after the service. I don’t know if it’s related or something is wrong again with fuel gauge but fuel consumption for 41km of freeway driving was abnormally high - needle went up 2 lines.

[Lucas_R]

Can we use Castrol Magnatec Diesel DX5W40 in MK6 GTI? Car feels a bit heavier on acceleration immediately after the service. I don’t know if it’s related or something is wrong again with fuel gauge but fuel consumption for 41km of freeway driving was abnormally high - needle went up 2 lines.

Why would you be using a specific diesel engine oil in a Mk6 GTI?

That Castrol oil is not the correct spec for a modern VW engine, in addition to being a diesel specific oil. I would be draining it out and refilling with a VW 502/505 or VW504/507 approved oil like Penrite Enviro+ 5w-30 or 5w-40.

This is what I used to use when I had a Mk6 GTI Penrite Enviro+ Engine Oil 5W-40 5 Litre | Supercheap Auto (https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/penrite-penrite-enviro-engine-oil-5w-40-5-litre/324403.html?cgid=SCA01070403#prefn1=viscosity&prefv1=5W-40&srule=Best%20Sellers&start=9)

[Guest001]

Can we use Castrol Magnatec Diesel DX5W40 in MK6 GTI? Car feels a bit heavier on acceleration immediately after the service. I don’t know if it’s related or something is wrong again with fuel gauge but fuel consumption for 41km of freeway driving was abnormally high - needle went up 2 lines.

You can use whatever you like but sensible owners stick to either the two in the OP or Penrite Enviro +

Why would you want to use a DIESEL specified oil in a petrol car. Is that oil approved for use in your car??? I doubt it so why ask and even more why even think about using it. It is not an approved VW oil even for a diesel.

Most of us with GTI engines use the left hand 504/507 oil and in fact my car has a sticker under the bonnet to say to use it.

[vdubbed12]

You can use whatever you like but sensible owners stick to either the two in the OP or Penrite Enviro +

Why would you want to use a DIESEL specified oil in a petrol car. Is that oil approved for use in your car??? I doubt it so why ask and even more why even think about using it. It is not an approved VW oil even for a diesel.

Most of us with GTI engines use the left hand 504/507 oil and in fact my car has a sticker under the bonnet to say to use it.


Yeah that’s what I thought. I’ve used this mechanic to service my car for the third time and he has recommended me to use Castrol edge 5W40 and car has been running very smoothly although I noticed that engine oil temperature doesn’t go over 99 Celsius degrees easily while driving and is slower to get up to 90 Celsius degrees than 5W30. The car has been very smooth and quieter in idle as well. The reason for using 5W40 was to top up less often between services and he was right. The car just felt better.

Today he put that diesel specific oil in my car and assured me it’s ok for petrol engine as well. I’ve looked it up after the service and it does say it’s for gasoline and diesel engines. I might take it back to him and refill it.

[vdubbed12]

@Lucas R

My mechanic might not have had it in stock. He just assured me it’s ok for the car. He has been putting in 5W40 oil in my car for the last two times and car has been running beautifully and I had to top up less. Castrol edge 5W40 is also not on supercheap auto’s website as recommended for MK6 GTI but I trusted him. I might take it back to him and drain and refill it. After driving a bit more I don’t notice as much “heaviness” as when I immediately drove off but the gear change farts sound a bit dull. Probably not worth driving it around.

[vdubbed12]

Castrol EDGE Engine Oil 5W-40 6 Litre | Supercheap Auto (https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/castrol-castrol-edge-engine-oil-5w-40-6-litre/545709.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlqDc-52I8wIVzgRyCh1cEwt_EAQYASABEgIsGfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)


That’s the one I’ve been using to service and top up the car. It says 502/505 VW approved.

[Guest001]

Yeah that’s what I thought. I’ve used this mechanic to service my car for the third time and he has recommended me to use Castrol edge 5W40 and car has been running very smoothly although I noticed that engine oil temperature doesn’t go over 99 Celsius degrees easily while driving and is slower to get up to 90 Celsius degrees than 5W30. The car has been very smooth and quieter in idle as well. The reason for using 5W40 was to top up less often between services and he was right. The car just felt better.

Today he put that diesel specific oil in my car and assured me it’s ok for petrol engine as well. I’ve looked it up after the service and it does say it’s for gasoline and diesel engines. I might take it back to him and refill it.

Well i looked it up using my car which has a GTI engine and it says IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR MY CAR.

You say its diesel SPECIFIC and yet you seem to think its OK
What sort of a mechanic is he, does he ride a horse and wear a big wide hat

[vdubbed12]

Well i looked it up using my car which has a GTI engine and it says IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR MY CAR.

You say its diesel SPECIFIC and yet you seem to think its OK
What sort of a mechanic is he, does he ride a horse and wear a big wide hat

Haha I like your expression, maybe he is a cowboy or a bit like Paul Hogan. XD

I didn’t feel comfortable when I saw the used bottle of engine oil had Diesel on it. But it looks like one that was recommended in this post also mentions that 5W30 LL which is for both diesel and petrol is fine to use so I initially thought it should be ok as well. But that oil is probably 504/507 approved whereas I can’t find that info on Magnatec Diesel 5W40. Anyway I’ll be taking it back to him next week.

[vdubbed12]

For anyone interested,

Can I use Diesel Oil in my Petrol Engine? We ask the experts! (https://amsoil.com.au/blog/can-i-use-diesel-oil-in-my-petrol-engine-we-ask-the-experts/)

Can I use a diesel engine oil in a petrol engine and vise versa ?
- Nulon Products Australia (https://www.nulon.com.au/support/can-i-use-a-diesel-engine-in-a-petrol-engine-and-vise-versa)

Can I use diesel engine oil in my petrol engine? (https://www.counterman.com/can-i-use-diesel-engine-oil-in-my-petrol-engine/)

Castrol MAGNATEC Diesel | Diesel Engine Oil | Castrol Australia | CASTROL AUSTRALIA (https://www.castrol.com/en_au/australia/home/car-engine-oil/engine-oil-brands/castrol-magnatec-brand/magnatec-product-page/castrol-magnatec-diesel.html#tab_diesel-dx-5w-40)

So it looks like Castrol Magnatec Diesel 5W40 could be used safely in petrol engine as it’s API SN/CF rated but VW is not listed under that oil so still not worth it. One of the articles that’s not fully accessible says the detergent properties in diesel engine oil may clean the petrol engine so well that it may cause loss of compression in the engine. The other Australian article says some owners with modified petrol engines commonly use diesel engine oil. Anyway Castrol Edge 5W40 (VW502/505) for petrol and diesel is on sale at supercheap auto at the moment so I’m putting those in next week.

Edit: additional info - Castrol Edge 5W40 also has API SN/CF so that confirms Magnatetic Diesel is also safe to use according to the official website.

[vdubbed12]

Why would you be using a specific diesel engine oil in a Mk6 GTI?

That Castrol oil is not the correct spec for a modern VW engine, in addition to being a diesel specific oil. I would be draining it out and refilling with a VW 502/505 or VW504/507 approved oil like Penrite Enviro+ 5w-30 or 5w-40.

This is what I used to use when I had a Mk6 GTI Penrite Enviro+ Engine Oil 5W-40 5 Litre | Supercheap Auto (https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/penrite-penrite-enviro-engine-oil-5w-40-5-litre/324403.html?cgid=SCA01070403#prefn1=viscosity&prefv1=5W-40&srule=Best%20Sellers&start=9)


Thanks for that Lucas_R, I might have to go with your recommendation this time. Supercheap auto doesn’t have it in stock for click and collect in Victoria at the moment. How was the consumption of engine oil between services? I’m planning to get it serviced in 10,000km.

[Lucas_R]

Thanks for that Lucas_R, I might have to go with your recommendation this time. Supercheap auto doesn’t have it in stock for click and collect in Victoria at the moment. How was the consumption of engine oil between services? I’m planning to get it serviced in 10,000km.

The oil consumption was reduced when I changed from a 5w-30 to a 5w-40 but it still consumed oil. The 5w-40 is slightly thicker when hot.

[vdubbed12]

The oil consumption was reduced when I changed from a 5w-30 to a 5w-40 but it still consumed oil. The 5w-40 is slightly thicker when hot.


Yeah I’ve also noticed that too. Car runs smoother and it’s quieter at idle as well. I’ve only been using Castrol but I’ll try out Penrite one this time. Just going out for another drive around freeway to see if anything is different.

[XFJET]

as soon as the GTI was out of warranty I went with Pennrite 10/10 5/40 and never looked back, it asks for 600mL every 5000km which is fair