Query - 2017 Passat 206 TSI R - Tuning

[bunglebp]

Hi all,

I have a 2017 Passat 206 TSI R Line and am wanting to tune it but really not sure what type of tune to get, I have heard the JB4 is really good and i have heard of APR stage 1 or 2 tunes, I have to admit id love to get K&N filter also but my car is still in warranty so not sure how it would go with that, but if anyone could advise on their thoughts or experiences it would be greatly appreciated? Im not too bothered about top end speed but acceleration yes please :)

[mythik]

I will cop a load of **** for saying this, but it's what you're needing to be told truthfully:

Your post/question is answered rather simply: what's your budget?

If you can afford to replace a gearbox or engine without any hesitation or pain - APR stage 1/2 will be a great upgrade in power. If you drive it conservatively most of the time it shouldn't hamper longevity too much. If you drive it like you stole it, you'll be up for some early component failure induced by the additional strain on the engine/gearbox.

If, like most people, you could never budget to replace a DSG gearbox, mech unit, clutch packs or Engine unit in a brand new car whereby you're relying on the warranty to resolve any issues - simply put: don't tune it. Enjoy it as it is. If anything ever goes wrong, you'll be blissfully pleased that it's all covered without fear or stress.

There are a ton of options out there for tuning whereby they will claim that VW cannot detect it, it can be flashed back to stock, they'll never know, yada yada yada. It's all well and good to say that, however, not one of the tuning houses will guarantee the safety of your warranty and compensate you if VW do what they're getting rather good at now: void your drivetrain warranty.

FLAME ON.

[Rocket36]

No need for flame on dude. I completely agree!

If you wanted more from a car, why buy the 206 TSI R-Line to start with?

[Kachingg]

Yeah i have to agree if it causes failure and vw detects it no warranty poof all gone and no tuner will back you up its all on you

Having said that if you want to go ahead you can get big power out of the engine a stage 1 tune will net you a extra 40-50kw and lots more torque you will need a dsg tune as well so budget for that as for who you use thats up to you apr and harding performance have tunes
Also there are many smaller shops that do it as well ask around the tuning forums and research thoroughly
I want badly to tune my car but am going to wait till after warranty only another 28 mths to go but who is counting lol

Tho i did do 1 small intake mod which if vw arc up with i think i can justify as airbox/turbo piping ect are still stock
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[Lucas_R]

A JB1/JB4 unit will give you 80% of the benefits of a full remap (like APR etc) for about 50% of the price of the full remap. And you can remove it if/when you sell the car and recoup at least 50-60% of the purchase price.

If you decide to do a full remap, also consider Underground Performance Underground Performance (https://www.undergroundperformance.com.au/) seeing you are in Melbourne.

A replacement air filter will not void your warranty, but i would suggest looking at AFE filters over K&N as their quality is much better in my opinion. Such as: aFe POWER 31-10254 Magnum FLOW Pro DRY S Air Filter | aFe POWER (https://afepower.com/afe-power-31-10254-magnum-flow-pro-dry-s-air-filter)

A complete replacement intake such as https://www.uspmotorsports.com/Volkswagen--.-R-Models--MK7-R--2015--2.0T/Engine/Air-Intake/P34-Air-Intake-System-MQB-Audi-Volkswagen-1.8T-2.0T.html could be "blamed" by a VW dealership for causing a number of engine failures if you were unlucky enough to have this happen to you, but the likelyhood of it actually being the culprit of the issue is very very low. Unfortunately this is a risk you must take if you want to modify the car, and most dealerships (regardless of whether its VW, Renault etc) will blame a modification for causing the issue even if its not related.

[toastoflondon99]

A replacement air filter will not void your warranty, but i would suggest looking at AFE filters over K&N as their quality is much better in my opinion. Such as: aFe POWER 31-10254 Magnum FLOW Pro DRY S Air Filter | aFe POWER (https://afepower.com/afe-power-31-10254-magnum-flow-pro-dry-s-air-filter)


Have you guys found any noticeable difference in upgrading the air filter?

[bunglebp]

No need for flame on dude. I completely agree!

If you wanted more from a car, why buy the 206 TSI R-Line to start with?

:) Thats an easy question to answer, and a good point! the 206 TSI R is a great all round car for a cracking good price, I wanted a fast wagon being a family man without spending 300k on a supercar, I love the Passat 206 like crazy but also even though its great a car...is a car ever fast enough for a car enthusiast lol so i like the thought of tuning it but wanted to hear people opinions 1st before i really rack my conscience especially as standard I have the warranty lol also some could say why not buy a porsche or ferrari if i wanted fast, but i think a 206 TSI with some tunings can match some of the supercars for a 3rd of the price, also being new to tuning i didnt know where to go with it, some research is good but asking from peoples experience is far better to understand, also i am planning to keep the Passat as long as i can so wanted to understand what i could do without wrecking the engine or gearbox in a few hundred ks ;)

[tigger73]

There's people that are conservative, buy an extended warranty, drive 5km/hr under the limit and don't tune their cars.

Then there's people that take their brand new car from the dealership straight to the tuning shop.

And then there's those somewhere in-between.

It's all down to risk/reward. The motor in the Passat is almost identical to the Golf R so you'll get a similar result.

I drove a 206TSI Passat on the VW Drive Expereicne and it doesn't feel overly exciting. I think the extra weight of the AWD plus larger car dulls it. A stage 1 tune will liven it up or if you want a bigger/fatter torque curve go straight to stage 2 and install a bigger downpipe first.

[Rocket36]

If you want more torque, but a diesel! Lol

[tigger73]

Unfortunately the 140TDI in FWD wouldn't come close to a stage 2 206TSI which should put out 230-240kwaw.

[DR074]

I'm in the in-betweeners camp at the mo. The 206 has plenty of power for what I need it to do (not really taking my daily to the track), however, who would say no to an extra pony or two under the hood. Dilemma. Just don't want to f*** up a perfectly good car with tomfoolery.
In my old XR6T days (no changes on mine), a couple of my mates completed stage 1s and 2s, and ended up needing to replace a bit of running gear. It could be down to Make, Driving style, Would I drive it any different, or recent dev on cars. So I've been reading as much as I can to see the risks.
So please, keep all the experiences coming, and maybe i'll grow a pair.

Thanks

[tigger73]

If you're going to go stage 2 on these I'd definitely budget in a DSG tune which can be programmed to increase the clamp pressures (essential when you're making significantly more torque than stock).

I'd drive your car as stock and when you're getting a bit bored/thinking about change then tune it and it'll be like driving a completeky new car again. Far cheaper to spend a $1-2k tuning your car than dropping $10-20k in depreciation/trade-in robbery.

[Transporter]

I'm in the in-betweeners camp at the mo. The 206 has plenty of power for what I need it to do (not really taking my daily to the track), however, who would say no to an extra pony or two under the hood. Dilemma. Just don't want to f*** up a perfectly good car with tomfoolery.
In my old XR6T days (no changes on mine), a couple of my mates completed stage 1s and 2s, and ended up needing to replace a bit of running gear. It could be down to Make, Driving style, Would I drive it any different, or recent dev on cars. So I've been reading as much as I can to see the risks.
So please, keep all the experiences coming, and maybe i'll grow a pair.

Thanks

How long do you want to keep your car for?
If you do stage 2, then don’t keep it much over 100,000km and I’d definitely sell it before it reaches that.
That’s from my experience what I see in the stg2 tuned cars.

[DR074]

I'm looking at keeping mine for 10 years if possible, so probably 150,000kms. Don't really care what I get for it after that.

[Transporter]

I'm looking at keeping mine for 10 years if possible, so probably 150,000kms. Don't really care what I get for it after that.

Your DSG most likely won’t last that distance if stg2 tuned, regardless if you do DSG tune or not.

[DR074]

Your DSG most likely won’t last that distance if stg2 tuned, regardless if you do DSG tune or not.

Thanks for the info

[Goublin]

Yeah i have to agree if it causes failure and vw detects it no warranty poof all gone and no tuner will back you up its all on you

Having said that if you want to go ahead you can get big power out of the engine a stage 1 tune will net you a extra 40-50kw and lots more torque you will need a dsg tune as well so budget for that as for who you use thats up to you apr and harding performance have tunes
Also there are many smaller shops that do it as well ask around the tuning forums and research thoroughly
I want badly to tune my car but am going to wait till after warranty only another 28 mths to go but who is counting lol

Tho i did do 1 small intake mod which if vw arc up with i think i can justify as airbox/turbo piping ect are still stock
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Good luck with whatever you choose


Hi Mate,

some sound advice from all. I have recently bought a 206 passat tsi and am keen to add a few things. Im not going to do much until teh warrranty is up, as another poster mentioned.....could I afford a new engine.

I was just keen to hear about the intake mod you did? was it a turbo inlet hose or air intake system you did? I may add such thing as im thinking it may not have too much effect on teh warrenty


cheers

[Kachingg]

Hi Mate,

some sound advice from all. I have recently bought a 206 passat tsi and am keen to add a few things. Im not going to do much until teh warrranty is up, as another poster mentioned.....could I afford a new engine.

I was just keen to hear about the intake mod you did? was it a turbo inlet hose or air intake system you did? I may add such thing as im thinking it may not have too much effect on teh warrenty


cheers


Hi mate

I replaced the air scoop over the radiator as its very restrictive (same air scoop is fitted in all golfs from 1.4tsi to tdi to r and gti) i am not sure if they make one for the passat you will have to look around its easy as to take off and replace the stock one for servicing if you wish about 10 min for a tsi and prob double that for a tdi as the engine is larger requiring some fiddling around with the air-box to get it in and out

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I put the stock air scoop on top of the revo one i have fitted this is the passengers side see how the top one is all blocked off and the bottom revo intake feeds straight into the air-box

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This is the drivers side on top you can see a straight through air feed into the engine bay on bottom 40% feed into the engine bay for oil cooling ect and 60% feed into air-box with the side panel funneling air into it

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This is stock air scoop from the rear the white light you can see is me shining a light from the air-box side so you can see how restrictive the intake is all air for the motor has to take a 90deg side turn and be sucked down into engine by the turbo also you are getting warm engine bay air sucked in as well

I have noticed a decrease in turbo lag it spools up quicker and also a increase in mid range torque from 2000 to 3000rpm that is quite noticeable
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Stock vs Revo intake


Plus it just looks much better :)

[mythik]

Get a load of that engine cover!

That's at _least_ 20kw increase.

[Goublin]

Thanks for sharing dude. Yeah looks a neater and great that it is noticeable. I'll have a look under my bonnet tomorrow, the revo website doesn't say that it's compatible with a passat but I'll see. I'm certainly going to enjoy the standard car right now and start to look at what I may want to do in the future.
Its a great car, very pleased with it up to now.

[tigger73]

some sound advice from all. I have recently bought a 206 passat tsi and am keen to add a few things. Im not going to do much until teh warrranty is up, as another poster mentioned.....could I afford a new engine.

Now here's where the logic of not modifying until warranty is over doesn't make a lot of sense. If you modify the car before warranty expires and you break it then you may be able to get it fixed under warranty. If you modify the car after warranty expires and you break it the you will have to fix it out of pocket. So by that logic you're actually better off modifying under warranty.

[Goublin]

I think you're right tigger. I've been researching and spoke to the racing line guys in Brisbane. Very helpful and knowledgeable, as well as local support. Im pretty much going to get a stage 2 over the next few months.

[tigger73]

Some people will think that they've paid for the 3 year warranty so they'll get all 3 years use out of it. The other way to think about it is that it's 3 years driving around a car that doesn't put a smile on your face each time you put your foot down.

I'm not trying to convince people to modify thier cars but if you're going to tune it anyway just do it and enjoy it.

[Kachingg]

Yeah i agree why wait if your going to tune just wait the 1st 10,000k to see if any warranty issues develop but after that go large :)

[Goublin]

Yeah i agree why wait if your going to tune just wait the 1st 10,000k to see if any warranty issues develop but after that go large :)

Just had the 10k service done and all good. So defo look at the stage 2 soon.

[Goublin]

Question, I've looked on the web but picking seem slim for a new exhaust system for the r-line passat. I even emailed ABT but they said that they didn't have anything yet for the model. Ive only found one web site that looks like a match -https://www.supersprint.com/ww-en/sport-exhaust-supersprint-for-vw-passat-b8-4-motion-20-tsi-280-hp-14.aspx

any one know any more?

cheers

[Hole46]

Question, I've looked on the web but picking seem slim for a new exhaust system for the r-line passat. I even emailed ABT but they said that they didn't have anything yet for the model. Ive only found one web site that looks like a match -https://www.supersprint.com/ww-en/sport-exhaust-supersprint-for-vw-passat-b8-4-motion-20-tsi-280-hp-14.aspx

any one know any more?

cheers

Try a good exhaust shop to see if they can make a custom built one, might be a lot cheaper too.


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[Goublin]

Ok, so took your advice. I spoke to an exhaust specialist in brisbane and he can do exactly what I want. The thing is, he got me thinking about the down pipe, he said that I would be better off getting and divorced down pipe, but he would have to check what he has in (he thinks the golf r down pipe fit) or can make one fit my passat, instead of getting the miltek racing line come with. So I was thinking of getting a divorced down pipe and exhaust system from him, then the tune up and other stuff from racing line.

after some extensive research has on google I'm trying to work out which turbo charger th 206 tsi has to see if a split downpipe is compatible, as it doesn't look so with the k03.

so option 1
racing line stage 2
plus exhaust system

option 2

racingline stage 1 (no Downpipe)
split downpipe and exhaust system

i prefer the latter as my research would indicate best gains.

If I can split my down pipe, I'll go for it, trying figure out if it can be done

any thoughts welcomed.

[Hole46]

Ok, so took your advice. I spoke to an exhaust specialist in brisbane and he can do exactly what I want. The thing is, he got me thinking about the down pipe, he said that I would be better off getting and divorced down pipe, but he would have to check what he has in (he thinks the golf r down pipe fit) or can make one fit my passat, instead of getting the miltek racing line come with. So I was thinking of getting a divorced down pipe and exhaust system from him, then the tune up and other stuff from racing line.

after some extensive research has on google I'm trying to work out which turbo charger th 206 tsi has to see if a split downpipe is compatible, as it doesn't look so with the k03.

so option 1
racing line stage 2
plus exhaust system

option 2

racingline stage 1 (no Downpipe)
split downpipe and exhaust system

i prefer the latter as my research would indicate best gains.

If I can split my down pipe, I'll go for it, trying figure out if it can be done

any thoughts welcomed.

Try Rob Bliss Exhaust in Brisbane, they can supply or custom build downpipes & catback exhausts.


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[Goublin]

Thanks mate, I'm up that way next week so I'll drop in

[Goublin]

Whilst researching and figuring stuff out. I am right in saying the tsi 206 runs off an ihi turbo? I think I am correct, if that is the cas, looking at pics on line I don't think you can put a two pipe dump pipe on.

[Goublin]

So, trying to find mods for the passat is like panning for gold nuggets, not much out there. Loads for the golf R tsi how ever, with teh same engine.

I have just emailed neuspeed if some of their products will fit, 4 emails, 48 hours later....still no sure. Pics of engine bay sent.

Found one website only that does brake upgrades.

Anyone found the same?

[tigger73]

Someone needs to did a supplier that has a Golf R DP in stock and that’s happy to do a test-fit.

These will almost certainly bolt up to the turbo, however the question is where the mounts are on the Golf vs. the Passat and then length and where it connects to the mid-pipe.

Given that they are both MQB platform vehicles I’d be surprised if there’s major differences between the 2 but someone has to be the first....




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[Goublin]

Someone needs to did a supplier that has a Golf R DP in stock and that’s happy to do a test-fit.

These will almost certainly bolt up to the turbo, however the question is where the mounts are on the Golf vs. the Passat and then length and where it connects to the mid-pipe.

Given that they are both MQB platform vehicles I’d be surprised if there’s major differences between the 2 but someone has to be the first....

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Neuspeed in the US sent me this when i inquired: Your engine is the gen3 so the Golf R Discharge pipe 48.02.47 should fit. We do not make an air charge because OE is full size with no restrictions so an aftermarket pipe will have no benefit.

HI-FLO Turbo Discharge Conversion (http://www.neuspeed.com/340/11/0/3226/480247-hi-flo-turbo-discharge-conversion.html)

Was good of them to be upfront. I'm going to get the TDP.

I had some money coming my way, which now has arrived. I'm getting the following do to the Passat:

Racingline OEM+ stage 2 tune package at HP Brisbane
DSG tune
Racingline IC
Neuspeed TGP
Bespoke cat back Exhaust system

I've spoke to all the suppliers and done my research. I'm hoping to get done by the end of April. Be interesting to see the gains.:cool:

[Wynnston]

The engine is mechanically identical to the MY17 Golf R (not the 17.5). It's only got a slightly different tune which essentially drops 30nm and makes it a little laggier off the line to make things "smoother"

[Blackpaladin67]

The engine is mechanically identical to the MY17 Golf R (not the 17.5). It's only got a slightly different tune which essentially drops 30nm and makes it a little laggier off the line to make things "smoother"

Hi mate you should check the latest posts on the Arteon threds in respect us changing to Audi setup with super results. 300km no bad effects noted


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[Blackpaladin67]

Like getting a pedal or tune fix big prompts to Demension who found it !


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[CaseySP]

Can you explain more about the "Audi setup"?

[Blackpaladin67]

Can you explain more about the "Audi setup"?

1. 01-Engine
2. 07-Coding
3. Long Coding
4. Change the drop down option in Bit 0-2 from "01 Manufacturer: Seat/Skoda/Volkswagen" to "02 Manufacturer: Audi"


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[CaseySP]

I get the coding. More a question about the differences between standard and "Audi" setup. ie what is the difference - is the VW setup deliberately sub-optimal to push purchasers towards Audi (seriously?). Does this affect the Golf R as well as the Passat and Arteon? Has anyone done a set of comparative dyno plots? What is the before and after driver experience (seems positive :cookie:)?

FWIW I used to have an MX5-SP (one of the 100 special edition Alan Horsely turbo rockets) and a $2 mod on the boost line lifted the engine output from 160kW factory to about 190kW (in a 1200kg car mind you :cool: ). Any number of us were doing these mods on dynos - often with an ECU tune at the same time, and could demonstrate the gains and where in the curve they occurred.

[Blackpaladin67]

I get the coding. More a question about the differences between standard and "Audi" setup. ie what is the difference - is the VW setup deliberately sub-optimal to push purchasers towards Audi (seriously?). Does this affect the Golf R as well as the Passat and Arteon? Has anyone done a set of comparative dyno plots? What is the before and after driver experience (seems positive :cookie:)?

FWIW I used to have an MX5-SP (one of the 100 special edition Alan Horsely turbo rockets) and a $2 mod on the boost line lifted the engine output from 160kW factory to about 190kW (in a 1200kg car mind you :cool: ). Any number of us were doing these mods on dynos - often with an ECU tune at the same time, and could demonstrate the gains and where in the curve they occurred.

Tried and works on Arteon & Skoda Superb todate .. So anyone else out there with 2.0l FSI willing to give it a go?


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[Goublin]

Neuspeed in the US sent me this when i inquired: Your engine is the gen3 so the Golf R Discharge pipe 48.02.47 should fit. We do not make an air charge because OE is full size with no restrictions so an aftermarket pipe will have no benefit.

HI-FLO Turbo Discharge Conversion (http://www.neuspeed.com/340/11/0/3226/480247-hi-flo-turbo-discharge-conversion.html)

Was good of them to be upfront. I'm going to get the TDP.

I had some money coming my way, which now has arrived. I'm getting the following do to the Passat:

Racingline OEM+ stage 2 tune package at HP Brisbane
DSG tune
Racingline IC
Neuspeed TGP
Bespoke cat back Exhaust system

I've spoke to all the suppliers and done my research. I'm hoping to get done by the end of April. Be interesting to see the gains.:cool:











Update for those who are interested.

Full exhaust system done. Will add a mid-muffler as it’s a bit too noisy for me
The guys (who have been awesome) at HP tuned it up after exhaust was fitted and the engine light came on and did a DSG tune too.

Waiting on parts to be ordered. Intercooler, cool air induction and turbo pipe. My neuspeed discharge pipe has arrived so they will fit it all and tune to stage 2+

So right now with exhaust, tune, and DSG tune its pulling about 275 KW (estimate) I took it to Willowbank on Friday and did a qtr mile in 12.7 secs. I think I could have got better, need to work on my launch control. Car feels good, no turbo lag and hugely responsive. Cannot wait to see what it will do when all the other stuff is added. They said it could land around 300kw.
I will post some pics when done.

[Wynnston]

Update for those who are interested.

Full exhaust system done. Will add a mid-muffler as it’s a bit too noisy for me
The guys (who have been awesome) at HP tuned it up after exhaust was fitted and the engine light came on and did a DSG tune too.

Waiting on parts to be ordered. Intercooler, cool air induction and turbo pipe. My neuspeed discharge pipe has arrived so they will fit it all and tune to stage 2+

So right now with exhaust, tune, and DSG tune its pulling about 275 KW (estimate) I took it to Willowbank on Friday and did a qtr mile in 12.7 secs. I think I could have got better, need to work on my launch control. Car feels good, no turbo lag and hugely responsive. Cannot wait to see what it will do when all the other stuff is added. They said it could land around 300kw.
I will post some pics when done.

I 33836

That was me last night. 12.718 on JB4 Only. Sedan. The car next to me was a Wagon with a JB4, best he got all night was 12.9, but he had a passenger. He has a JB4 on Map 2 as well.

Everyone was very impressed, including the commentators on the night. I don't think they expected a Passat to do those times.

I did have a few problems with launching at the top of the Launch control. It would sometimes lose too much traction and not want to go straight into 2nd. It was a little damp earlier in the day so traction wasn't perfect, even with 4 motion. It certainly needs a gearbox tune and some sort of Haldex controller to make it just that little bit better.

[Goublin]

I 33836

That was me last night. 12.718 on JB4 Only. Sedan. The car next to me was a Wagon with a JB4, best he got all night was 12.9, but he had a passenger. He has a JB4 on Map 2 as well.

Everyone was very impressed, including the commentators on the night. I don't think they expected a Passat to do those times.

I did have a few problems with launching at the top of the Launch control. It would sometimes lose too much traction and not want to go straight into 2nd. It was a little damp earlier in the day so traction wasn't perfect, even with 4 motion. It certainly needs a gearbox tune and some sort of Haldex controller to make it just that little bit better.

Wow great time mate, anything else apart from the JB4? Car back next week to complete stage 2 so ill be keen to see if i can better that. I did three runs, the 12.7 was my first and the only one were i got the launch control spot on, need to practice!

[Wynnston]

Wow great time mate, anything else apart from the JB4? Car back next week to complete stage 2 so ill be keen to see if i can better that. I did three runs, the 12.7 was my first and the only one were i got the launch control spot on, need to practice!

JB4 and Res Delete, but the Res Delete is obviously not going to give me any more power. What are you running to get the 12.7?

[Wynnston]

Also, to everyone that's done the VCDS "Audi" throttle response hack. There is a cost. I discovered my launch and issues were related to this change.

TCS (Traction Control) does not behave well in the wet. I would say that both the Haldex and TCS aren't calibrated to the change in throttle behaviour.

I first noticed a difference when LC didn't behave itself properly. It would lose traction (in the dry), jolt and then not change into 2nd right away. After reverting back to the VW setting this didn't happen anymore.

When it was rather wet the other day, when in "Audi" mode the front wheels would easily break traction and when switched back to "VW" mode it behaved itself and was harder to break traction.

Like I said above, it might all be symptoms of the TCS/Haldex not being calibrated for the throttle, or that it really does confuse the ABS and other modules. I would recommend against the change. Each to their own of course :)

[DR074]

Maybe I should have read this post first.

I haven't had any dramas with both hacks, but it also hasn't been that wet here, and I have driven it a bit nannyish (haven't used LC), which now I think about it, is probably why fuel economy has been marginally better.

Thanks Wynnston

[Blackpaladin67]

Maybe I should have read this post first.

I haven't had any dramas with both hacks, but it also hasn't been that wet here, and I have driven it a bit nannyish (haven't used LC), which now I think about it, is probably why fuel economy has been marginally better.

Thanks Wynnston

Hi all,please advise what you mean by both hacks, i am only aware of the Audi one ?


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[DR074]

Sorry mate, there is also an XDS change you can make. Well, there are 2 different ways of making the car feel more like an AWD.

Set XDS to "Strong" - VW Golf Mk7 VCDS How-To (https://sites.google.com/a/naturalnetworks.ca/vw-golf-mk7-vcds-how-to/mechanical/set-xds-to-strong)

and

(Can't find link)

Select AWD Control Unit
Adaptation
Acoustic Measure, Wiring Logic
Choose from ‘Standard, Increased Traction, Less Noise’ - I chose Increased Traction.

I haven't tried the first one, but have tried the second one.

The above I did using OBDEleven, and you can use VCDS as well.

[Wynnston]

Sorry mate, there is also an XDS change you can make. Well, there are 2 different ways of making the car feel more like an AWD.

Set XDS to "Strong" - VW Golf Mk7 VCDS How-To (https://sites.google.com/a/naturalnetworks.ca/vw-golf-mk7-vcds-how-to/mechanical/set-xds-to-strong)

and

(Can't find link)

Select AWD Control Unit
Adaptation
Acoustic Measure, Wiring Logic
Choose from ‘Standard, Increased Traction, Less Noise’ - I chose Increased Traction.

I haven't tried the first one, but have tried the second one.

The above I did using OBDEleven, and you can use VCDS as well.

There was a guy on the MK7 forums warning about the XDS hack, he seems to think it caused him to wreck a MK7R on a freeway offramp in slippery conditions. Possibly not an issue for us, there is no ice in WA...

[Wynnston]

Hi all,please advise what you mean by both hacks, i am only aware of the Audi one ?


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Sorry, I'm talking about the same change being the Audi one under the engine control module options. I was fumbling around on the browser on my phone when I posted that so it was a bit of a mish mash.

[Wynnston]

I should mention that my test conditions weren't perfectly replicated, but I did my best to use the same sections of road/track to test my findings as well as roughly the same amount of water on the road.

[Blackpaladin67]

I done 5k on the audi engine mod only nothing bad to report. Wont be doing the second diff mod me thinks. appreciated the feedback on your trial s


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[Wynnston]

I done 5k on the audi engine mod only nothing bad to report. Wont be doing the second diff mod me thinks. appreciated the feedback on your trial s


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For every day driving I would imagine it would be more than fine and it's a huge plus for driveability.

[Blackpaladin67]

For every day driving I would imagine it would be more than fine and it's a huge plus for driveability.

Please expand on daily drive impact postives ?


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[DR074]

I've found the positiveimpact to the Audi hack is;
· Quicker off the lights
· Pulling out in traffic easier
· Getting through round abouts easier
· Overtaking
· Slightly increased heart rate
Negative impacts areprobably below;
· Easier to brake traction
· Tyre wear would increase
· Maybe more speeding tickets

[Blackpaladin67]

I've found the positiveimpact to the Audi hack is;
· Quicker off the lights
· Pulling out in traffic easier
· Getting through round abouts easier
· Overtaking
· Slightly increased heart rate
Negative impacts areprobably below;
· Easier to brake traction
· Tyre wear would increase
· Maybe more speeding tickets

Which hack engine or diff...like it DR rather humorous ...


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[DR074]

Thanks, wife doesn't think so.

I changed Engine Control Unit coding to Audi (byte 0, bit 0 - 2 from memory)
Then I changed AWD Control Unit adaption setting for Wiring Logic to Increased Traction, to offset the wheel spin from the Engine code change.

I didn't actually try the ABS Unit Change for Expanded Diff as I saw somewhere it used the brakes to control the car. I think this is the one Wynnston was saying was dangerous as well. Brake lockups on ice aren't that great.

I like the changes for around town driving. Peps it up a bit.

[Wynnston]

Please expand on daily drive impact postives ?


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Pros:

Better throttle response allows you to feel more in control. A delayed throttle makes you feel more disconnected, almost like having sluggish/sloppy steering.

In start stop traffic, the car is more responsive so you don't need as much throttle and you don't have that delayed jerk in acceleration which feels very much like turbo lag.

Cons:

Slight increase in chance of traction loss which I believe is caused by a less reactive Haldex system, also issues with launch control (won't affect most people). This may be completely moot for people that either don't use launch control or don't have a tune.

Yes it's a Passat and I would imagine a lot of people won't tune their car or drive it like a yob, but this is a tuning thread :P

[Goublin]

JB4 and Res Delete, but the Res Delete is obviously not going to give me any more power. What are you running to get the 12.7?

See my previous post on my mods. Ill post a pic of the engine. I've done the stage 2 + OEM/ racing line and some neuspeed parts.

I went to willow bank on saturday and did 5 runs all around 12.3.

My best run was 12.106 115mph......just wouldnt let me get the 11s.... though i had to ease off the launch control as the start was not what it should be. I after a few tweaks i think i can get 11s. Either way its very quick.

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[Wynnston]

See my previous post on my mods. Ill post a pic of the engine. I've done the stage 2 + OEM/ racing line and some neuspeed parts.

I went to willow bank on saturday and did 5 runs all around 12.3.

My best run was 12.106 115mph......just wouldnt let me get the 11s.... though i had to ease off the launch control as the start was not what it should be. I after a few tweaks i think i can get 11s. Either way its very quick.

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Nice, well done! Probably the fastest Passat in Australia :P.

What were the issues you were having with Launch Control, and was it slipping the front wheels much?

[Goublin]

Nice, well done! Probably the fastest Passat in Australia :P.

What were the issues you were having with Launch Control, and was it slipping the front wheels much?


Sorry for the late reply, blew my turbo 2 weeks ago. Just had it fixed.

I think with the extra power it struggles at 4000 rpm and jolts before powering off. I have installed a performance dog bone which may help. If the launch control could be set st 3500 -3700 i think with the extra power would balance the launch.

I got the car on the Dyno and it was running 289 KW at the wheels. We swapped the stock plasma coils to some okada as im running RS7 plugs. It dropped 10kw, not sure why.... kept the okadas on as ill see how it runs. Baffled why it dropped. I wasnt expecting massive gains, but not a drop.

[Wynnston]

Sorry for the late reply, blew my turbo 2 weeks ago. Just had it fixed.

I think with the extra power it struggles at 4000 rpm and jolts before powering off. I have installed a performance dog bone which may help. If the launch control could be set st 3500 -3700 i think with the extra power would balance the launch.

I got the car on the Dyno and it was running 289 KW at the wheels. We swapped the stock plasma coils to some okada as im running RS7 plugs. It dropped 10kw, not sure why.... kept the okadas on as ill see how it runs. Baffled why it dropped. I wasnt expecting massive gains, but not a drop.

Bugger about your turbo. What part died, the seal? Was it expensive to fix?

[Goublin]

Nice, well done! Probably the fastest Passat in Australia :P.

What were the issues you were having with Launch Control, and was it slipping the front wheels much?


Jolting. I should of lowered the tyres PSI which i will try next time. The 60 foot was terrible. The ECS dog bone i installed should help. The car is currently having a few final tweak on the tune. The guys at Harding Performance have been fantastic. After the last dyno and the new mods they want to make sure it is all working well. I cant recommend them highly enough.

They also discussed 2 launch control setting that was interesting.

Do you know what power you JB4 is giving you?

[Wynnston]

Jolting. I should of lowered the tyres PSI which i will try next time. The 60 foot was terrible. The ECS dog bone i installed should help. The car is currently having a few final tweak on the tune. The guys at Harding Performance have been fantastic. After the last dyno and the new mods they want to make sure it is all working well. I cant recommend them highly enough.

They also discussed 2 launch control setting that was interesting.

Do you know what power you JB4 is giving you?

Not sure. I'm guessing about the same as whatever anyone gets on their MK7R's.

[Goublin]

Bugger about your turbo. What part died, the seal? Was it expensive to fix?


shaft snapped :( shot down the cat. Think a seal cracked too. I got a deal on low k golf turbo that was one of teh newer turbos. wasnt cheap, but better than going direct to VW

[Frag]

Hi guys, I just bought a Passat R line after having my car written off. Now I have been trying to get some info on basic mods to make it a little bit more fun - I posted in a couple other threads but I think this will be the best one to get some info from people who have done it.

Essentially I would probably like a little more power and responsiveness. Nothing crazy, and certainly nothing that will likely blow the engine/DGS quickly as I hope to keep the car for 3-4 years.

From skim reading this thread I see that there is a ECU hack that will aid in some responsiveness with detrimental effects to TCS?

More than likely I will look into a AFR Stage 1, I wouldn't be driving like its stolen as its meant to be my "sensible" car as opposed to my Mustang before :P Anyone have any first hand bad experiences of know of any with Stage 1 when properly maintained etc?

What plugs do people on the tune run? what gap?

Can anyone suggest what the cost of the tune would be from experience?

[Goublin]

Hi guys, I just bought a Passat R line after having my car written off. Now I have been trying to get some info on basic mods to make it a little bit more fun - I posted in a couple other threads but I think this will be the best one to get some info from people who have done it.

Essentially I would probably like a little more power and responsiveness. Nothing crazy, and certainly nothing that will likely blow the engine/DGS quickly as I hope to keep the car for 3-4 years.

From skim reading this thread I see that there is a ECU hack that will aid in some responsiveness with detrimental effects to TCS?

More than likely I will look into a AFR Stage 1, I wouldn't be driving like its stolen as its meant to be my "sensible" car as opposed to my Mustang before :P Anyone have any first hand bad experiences of know of any with Stage 1 when properly maintained etc?

What plugs do people on the tune run? what gap?

Can anyone suggest what the cost of the tune would be from experience?

Depends what you’re trying to achieve mate….. think about that. Do you want just a stage 1 or 2 or 2 + then bigger turbo. I’m at stage 2 + and I’m looking at the TTE470 rather than a 500-550 turbo as I want to still have as a daily and turbo spool the same.

Would I put a flash tune such as APR on my Passat knowing what I know now? (two blown turbos) NO!
The Passat TSI may have the same engine as the golf r, but their operating systems are completely different. So if you get a tune that has essentially been developed for the golf R….good luck. They have the same soft ware as the skoda superbs FYI

My best advice would be go to a company like etuners who will give you a custom tune on a dyno, that will be smooth and bespoke to your car. Cost, again depends on who but $1200 -1600 for a bespoke tune is better than 800-1000 flash tune.

In regards to hardware, like I said, depends on what you want to achieve, but this is where you can buy the same stuff as the golf R mark 7 EA888 engine.

Ton answer your other question, i have RS7 spark plugs, come gapped in box. Also running okada plasma coils.

[Frag]

Depends what you’re trying to achieve mate….. think about that. Do you want just a stage 1 or 2 or 2 + then bigger turbo. I’m at stage 2 + and I’m looking at the TTE470 rather than a 500-550 turbo as I want to still have as a daily and turbo spool the same.

Would I put a flash tune such as APR on my Passat knowing what I know now? (two blown turbos) NO!
The Passat TSI may have the same engine as the golf r, but their operating systems are completely different. So if you get a tune that has essentially been developed for the golf R….good luck. They have the same soft ware as the skoda superbs FYI

My best advice would be go to a company like etuners who will give you a custom tune on a dyno, that will be smooth and bespoke to your car. Cost, again depends on who but $1200 -1600 for a bespoke tune is better than 800-1000 flash tune.

In regards to hardware, like I said, depends on what you want to achieve, but this is where you can buy the same stuff as the golf R mark 7 EA888 engine.

Ton answer your other question, i have RS7 spark plugs, come gapped in box. Also running okada plasma coils.
Yeah I got a quote of $1400 for an OTS retune and thats just laughable. I am hoping Cobb release software compatible for the Passat like they have with the Rline as I loved my Cobb AP3 and then I can throw in a custom pro tune on it and at least have it done like you said tailored to my car.

I think people are crazy spending that much money on a simple OTS tune that just messes with the stock calibration.. anyway each to their own I'd rather not bother than do a tune I can't monitor as I did with my Cobb AP. When I saw large negative corrections I had a chance to work out what it was and get it sorted/retuned.. if I didnt have it, more than likely my motor would have blown.

Thanks for your reply. Looks like you have one fast R Line..

[Goublin]

Yeah I got a quote of $1400 for an OTS retune and thats just laughable. I am hoping Cobb release software compatible for the Passat like they have with the Rline as I loved my Cobb AP3 and then I can throw in a custom pro tune on it and at least have it done like you said tailored to my car.

I think people are crazy spending that much money on a simple OTS tune that just messes with the stock calibration.. anyway each to their own I'd rather not bother than do a tune I can't monitor as I did with my Cobb AP. When I saw large negative corrections I had a chance to work out what it was and get it sorted/retuned.. if I didnt have it, more than likely my motor would have blown.

Thanks for your reply. Looks like you have one fast R Line..

Like a say bro, each to their own, but there is plenty you can do. Im going to look at the TTE470 in the next few months. The car did a 12.106 qtr mile, but the retune has made the car smoother, so be interesting to see what it does now. I reckon mid 11s with the new turbo. im getting teh p3 so I can monitor it and run some times. But im balls deep now. warranty gone....lol

I also occasionally use e85 I have a spread sheet for the amounts for our car. DM me and ill send it you if you're interested.

[Wynnston]

Like a say bro, each to their own, but there is plenty you can do. Im going to look at the TTE470 in the next few months. The car did a 12.106 qtr mile, but the retune has made the car smoother, so be interesting to see what it does now. I reckon mid 11s with the new turbo. im getting teh p3 so I can monitor it and run some times. But im balls deep now. warranty gone....lol

I also occasionally use e85 I have a spread sheet for the amounts for our car. DM me and ill send it you if you're interested.

I noticed you also have an exhaust. Is it a custom job or off the shelf? If you ever have any videos/soundclips then please post them up :)

[Goublin]

I noticed you also have an exhaust. Is it a custom job or off the shelf? If you ever have any videos/soundclips then please post them up :)

I'll get a video done and sent. The cabin noise is louder. Its not too drony when on the motor way, it not that bad at all. When you hit 3k plus its sounds epic..... i got a miltek vatted down pipe. 3 inch pipe then split in to 2.5 y pipe and x2 magna flow back boxes

[lenny]

Exhaust Question.....Resonator delete....is it worth it.?

[Goublin]

Exhaust Question.....Resonator delete....is it worth it.?


Honestly personal preference, few pops. It is noisier, i think it adds a few more HP to my set up. Its not too droney on the motorway. But, the mrs thinks its too loud lol

[lenny]

Honestly personal preference, few pops. It is noisier, i think it adds a few more HP to my set up. Its not too droney on the motorway. But, the mrs thinks its too loud lol

Thanks i guess i was more interested in what the RES delete is like on stock set up..:)

[Goublin]

New TTE470 going on next week
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[Diegothecat]

Hello Goublin

Im just stocked to see another passat r fan in brisbane for starters. Iv loved mine for nearly a 2 years and I started modifying mine the 2nd day I had it. I put a set of black rotiform rims on and then lowered it (this did start some issues with VW as the height sensors failed but once I figured out how to change them I was all good, VW had no idea on how to fix it).

Ive also done the resinattor delete, turbo muffler delete and replaced all of the intake air piping including new filter. Plus other small things here and there. But most of my mods have been done on VCDS, like being able to change the colour of my dash and the like.

I have spent many many many hours with my rosstech and obdeleven tools and not just my current passsat b8 but my b7 alltrack, mates Audi S3's, many golf r's and even the wifes little Polo Beats Edition. Iv had even had people in europe ask me to do coding on there passats. Long story short I know how to rectify your lag during launch control.

There are a few settings in the ABS modual that need to be adjusted to prevent the power being cut to the engine during the launch. They are simple settings PM me and I will give you a walk through.

Also please look up my page on facebook. Its called Benifications, its my side hobby, helping people who want VCDS changes but dont know how to do them safley.

Also regarding your warranty, I wouldnt worry too much. On my first Passat within the first month of learning VCDS I wipped one of the control modules (first and only time btw) so I took it to VW and told them what I had done and they where happy to fix it under warrenty. If your up front with them and dont flat out lie to their face they generaly are pretty good with most issues. Plus they always have to prove that it was the mod that caused the failure anyhow.

Cheers Ben

[tigger73]

New TTE470 going on next week
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Interested to see how you go with this one...

[Goublin]

Hello Goublin

Im just stocked to see another passat r fan in brisbane for starters. Iv loved mine for nearly a 2 years and I started modifying mine the 2nd day I had it. I put a set of black rotiform rims on and then lowered it (this did start some issues with VW as the height sensors failed but once I figured out how to change them I was all good, VW had no idea on how to fix it).

Ive also done the resinattor delete, turbo muffler delete and replaced all of the intake air piping including new filter. Plus other small things here and there. But most of my mods have been done on VCDS, like being able to change the colour of my dash and the like.

I have spent many many many hours with my rosstech and obdeleven tools and not just my current passsat b8 but my b7 alltrack, mates Audi S3's, many golf r's and even the wifes little Polo Beats Edition. Iv had even had people in europe ask me to do coding on there passats. Long story short I know how to rectify your lag during launch control.

There are a few settings in the ABS modual that need to be adjusted to prevent the power being cut to the engine during the launch. They are simple settings PM me and I will give you a walk through.

Also please look up my page on facebook. Its called Benifications, its my side hobby, helping people who want VCDS changes but dont know how to do them safley.

Also regarding your warranty, I wouldnt worry too much. On my first Passat within the first month of learning VCDS I wipped one of the control modules (first and only time btw) so I took it to VW and told them what I had done and they where happy to fix it under warrenty. If your up front with them and dont flat out lie to their face they generaly are pretty good with most issues. Plus they always have to prove that it was the mod that caused the failure anyhow.

Cheers Ben

Hi Ben, i will PM you now and if you are kind enough to talk me through that it would be great. I will update were i am with the build below, feel free to add any input. Checked out and liked your page

[Goublin]

Okay guys update:

With all my mods on i took the car to the track. The best qtr mile i ran with new turbo was 12.7secs. Now remember i did 12.106 at stage 2. Although the tune was no good and have previously blown 2 turbos before changing tuner. We knew something is quite right and suspect the LPFP. When i cross checked all the fueling parts with VW against the GOLF R the lpfp was the only thing that was different. I then purchased a CTS upgraded pump. When we took out the lpfp...it doesnt fit with out chopping and modding. Not wanting to risk screwing it up and having the car off the road, i shopped round and eventuallly bought a LPFP from Lithuiania.


This is on its way. In the mean time i am speaking to a guy in Bulgaria that is doing exactly the same on a skoda superb and is getting help from REVO. he has been good enough to update me and send instructions and pics. So when my pump arrives we can follow the same way he did it.

The other issue i have had, and this is ever since i got the exhaust done is an occasional smell in the car of exhaust gas when redlined - not always but happens often. We have checked the car for exhaust leaks, there are non. My mechanic and tuner cant figure it out.

The car is still quick pumping out 254 awka and i very quick through the mids. I just think there is more in it for a stage 3

Any comments, experience or feedback gratefully received - happy to explain further should i of missed anything

[Goublin]

Still waiting for LPFP to arrive. Made a few tweaks on VCDS...... see the results of the 0-60 using the P3
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[nickbeh]

Hi All,
I know this a Passat forum but I'm literally about to book a stage 1 APR for my Arteon...and read on here that the Passat software and ECU is not a golf R... my goal is more torque and the occasional traffic light battle Haha what's you're opinions?

[Wynnston]

Hi All,
I know this a Passat forum but I'm literally about to book a stage 1 APR for my Arteon...and read on here that the Passat software and ECU is not a golf R... my goal is more torque and the occasional traffic light battle Haha what's you're opinions?

I'd go with eTuners or Tarmac Engineerings Spectune. Both companies know how to tune for these vehicles in these conditions. I am sure APR have tuned a few but after Goublin's original turbo issues, I'd be more inclined to look at the others. Those issues might be completely unrelated (given it's only one case) but I'd personally steer away.

Stage 1 Tune should Yield 270kw & Around 500nm on the Arteon (normally around 480 on the pre 7R's (pre 7.5) and Passats). The 7SP has different torque limits and ratios so it can handle a bit more than the older 6SP unit.

[Wynnston]

Still waiting for LPFP to arrive. Made a few tweaks on VCDS...... see the results of the 0-60 using the P3
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This was without Launch Control I am assuming. I'm getting low 4's and even a 3.9 0-100 with a Stage 1 (ish) tune

[Jimi]

What are the best options for a modest catback? Just after a slightly fuller sound than stock, like a stock Golf R.

Milltek do good ones in golfs but can’t see them in passats.

[Wynnston]

What are the best options for a modest catback? Just after a slightly fuller sound than stock, like a stock Golf R.

Milltek do good ones in golfs but can’t see them in passats.

There is a Supersprint option, but it looks overpriced by the time you get it into Australia.

[Diegothecat]

I was thinking of removing the stock mufflers and removing all of the insulation and bypassing pipes. Then put it all pack together with a new T piece from the single exhaust. As I see that section is very restrictive.

But if I have the time is another thing.

[luvpsi]

Hi mate, just saw some interesting information here about the launch control that could be of interest. My car runs the Garrett Powermax Stage 1 turbo on E85 and has been custom tuned by Gallano in Sydney. I also did the throttle sensitivity mod and the increased traction mod via obd11. I am experiencing some issues with the launch control now where the car seems to not want to hold the revs and also there seems to be some some power cuts at about 5500 rpm momentarily similar to when traction breaks. Do you think this could be linked to the obd11 mods?