Chip

[pjbplumbing@bigpond.com]

Hi there,
Anyone got any comments re a Oettinger replacement chip for the engine management unit?

[99gti]

Oettinger have been a reputable name in the industry for quite some.

Basicly it will give you more power and better economy (depending on your driving style).

What info are you looking for specificly?

[Logzy]

Do a search.!!
There are many threads and comments on all the different chips in many different forums.

[gldgti]

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=11860

its a start but it wont help you much i'd say. the jury is still out.

as always, any discussion about what chip is better is totally subjective and seemingly completely useless....


...why can't everyone just use mechanical injection like me?

[gpk_gti]

ive driven a 1.9 tdi golf chipped from MTM and WOW!!!! it absolutely flew.... huge difference from stock.I would highly recommend chipping a tdi with a reputable company!!

[Mischa]

ive driven a 1.9 tdi golf chipped from MTM and WOW!!!! it absolutely flew.... huge difference from stock.I would highly recommend chipping a tdi with a reputable company!!

sorry going off topic but i didnt realise that thing was a 1.9!? how mcuh power do they reckon it has at the crank?

as for the op: oettinger has worked directly and indirectly wiht vw for many decades and are one of the most reliable and reputed companies for chip tuning.

[gpk_gti]

oettinger,mtm to name a couple.dont know who else tunes the tdi...

[h100vw]

Custom Code.......

custom-code.co.uk

[shogun2]

www.diesel-power.com
Had them in both the T5 and Golf V for eighteen months now.

[Roobuls]

How does Volkswagen get 125kW of power at 4200rpm and 350Nm of torque from the new Golf 2.0 TDI GT Sport ???

Are they using chipping (or re-mapping) technology to do this ???
I'm sure it's the same engine that's in the standard 103kW 2.0 TDI Golf.

Also, I read some where that Volkswagen Australia is currently considering maintaining full new car warranty with the Oettinger upgrade.

Does anyone know if that was ever approved ????

[2muchcoffeeman]

How does Volkswagen get 125kW of power at 4200rpm and 350Nm of torque from the new Golf 2.0 TDI GT Sport ???

Are they using chipping (or re-mapping) technology to do this ???
I'm sure it's the same engine that's in the standard 103kW 2.0 TDI Golf.

Also, I read some where that Volkswagen Australia is currently considering maintaining full new car warranty with the Oettinger upgrade.

Does anyone know if that was ever approved ????

It's a different engine- new injectors, higher compression and bigger turbo (I think)...

[mikinoz]

MTM are running a special on flash tunes this month.

Bluefin is another good option.

Oettinger is owned by APR and both have tunes out there.

[mikinoz]

How does Volkswagen get 125kW of power at 4200rpm and 350Nm of torque from the new Golf 2.0 TDI GT Sport ???

Are they using chipping (or re-mapping) technology to do this ???
I'm sure it's the same engine that's in the standard 103kW 2.0 TDI Golf.

Also, I read some where that Volkswagen Australia is currently considering maintaining full new car warranty with the Oettinger upgrade.

Does anyone know if that was ever approved ????

I would ask for written verification from VWA.

I don't believe that it is yet a specific agreement.

[Roobuls]

Who is the Australian contact for MTM (Motoren Technik Mayer) ???

I am interested !!! :o

[mikinoz]

TCCA I believe - check http://www.tcca.net.au/

[Roobuls]

Sadly the MTM M-Cantronic (http://www.mtm-online.de/en/index.php?nav=3&subnav=6&id=8) doesn't seem to be available for my Golf V 1.9 TDI. This unit sounds very interesting.
I wonder if they will release it in the future ???

[Jaymz]

If Superchips are not the biggest tuning company out there they would be one of the biggest.
Check there web here (http://www.superchips.co.uk/)

Clip from there web:
Be driven with SUPERCHIPS

Superchips optimise the performance of your car, helping to maximise your driving pleasure. There are so many limits on driving these days. Even your car’s intended performance is restricted because car manufacturers have to allow for drivers who do not adhere to service schedules and who use sub-standard fuels. But if you want the best from your car, call Superchips and we will free your engine from those restrictive limits giving you a more rewarding, more exciting drive.

Enjoy a more fulfilling journey

Your car will feel sharper. It will react more quickly and more precisely to your demands. And you could be saving fuel too. Having enjoyed more than half a million Superchipped engines, our customers can testify to a more exciting and fulfilling drive. And once your first vehicle has been Superchipped, we think you’ll come back for more. Not only do most of our customers return when they change their car, many often call us first for advice on what to buy in order to gain maximum results!

Choose the UK market leader

We are pioneers in tuning engines for enthusiastic drivers. No one else has invested the time, money and effort into research and development or has the technological know-how that only 27 years’ experience can bring. Leading car manufacturers trust us as the market leaders, recognising our proven skills in engine tuning.

We have over 80 specialist Performance Centres nationwide and all our technicians are fully trained at our headquarters. We even offer a lifetime product guarantee and a seven-day no-quibble refund if you’re not completely satisfied.

And at the end of the day if its good enough for 'The Stig', its good enough for me:D Enough said really, clicky clicky (http://www.superchips.co.uk/news.php?id=8)

[Roobuls]

Okay, now I'm interested in the Superchip. It seems that this might be a bit cheaper whilst still giving good results. The Oettinger option is around $2000 which is a bit pricey for me.

Who should I contact in Australia to get this done ????

[Mischa]

And at the end of the day if its good enough for 'The Stig', its good enough for me:D Enough said really, clicky clicky (http://www.superchips.co.uk/news.php?id=8)

their car blew up multiple times during the race though j:

[Roobuls]

:???: :???: :???:
Now you've got me worried.

[Jaymz]

Okay, now I'm interested in the Superchip. It seems that this might be a bit cheaper whilst still giving good results. The Oettinger option is around $2000 which is a bit pricey for me.

Who should I contact in Australia to get this done ????

Oettinger make a good product but from my understanding are not worldly known for there Diesel tuning.
Peter is the Australasian agent but has an agent in Perth. You can contact him through his web here (http://www.superchips.co.nz/contact.php). Tell him you were talking to me.


their car blew up multiple times during the race though j:
Don't scare the kiddies Mischa, you know how sensitive they are :)

Here's another snip from their web:

What does the SUPERCHIPS warranty offer?

Your vehicle is warranted for life against engine only defects caused by the upgrade whilst it is in New Zealand or Australia, or until you no longer own it.

[Logzy]

What does the SUPERCHIPS warranty offer?

Your vehicle is warranted for life against engine only defects caused by the upgrade whilst it is in New Zealand or Australia, or until you no longer own it.

Not anymore its not.!!!
From what ive been reading on MKVForums this is no longer the case.
All info regarding this has been removed form the Bluefin/Superchips website.

[orsegtsport]

Okay, now I'm interested in the Superchip. It seems that this might be a bit cheaper whilst still giving good results. The Oettinger option is around $2000 which is a bit pricey for me.

Who should I contact in Australia to get this done ????

You can buy the Bluefin flash tuner straight from the Superchips UK website, and have it delivered to your doorstep for approx $960. This is arguably the best tuning product out there, because it allows you to easily return to the stock ecu calibration whenever you like, and that price is half what the likes of Oettinger charge for their tune.

The only thing holding me back is that I have a DSG gearbox and I've become a victim of all the scaremongering (probably instigated by VW themselves to deter people from 'chipping' their cars) out there suggesting that the box can't handle any more than about 380 Nm. The Superchips tune for the GT TDI produces 430Nm (and it seems there is only one tune available on the Bluefin), so I'm obviously a bit concerned about it being too much for the gearbox.

Unfortunately, when I contacted Superchips with my concerns, I got a very generic response that sounded like it came from someone in the PR department, not someone with technical knowledge of the product.

So although I've been assured that their product is "designed to operate within safe tolerances so as not to compromise vehicle reliability", I'm still not convinced. Why would the likes of Oettinger and Tunit offer a map with much less torque for the DSG models if there wasn't an issue? Damn it, I love the DSG, but this torque issue is a real pain in the proverbial. :???:

[Roobuls]

My Golf is also DSG but because it's only a 103kW, I don't think I can go over the maximum this gearbox can handle. Please let me know if I am wrong in saying this?

I'm not trying to build a mechanical beast that I plan to thrash the box off of and leave a large portion of my tyres at every traffic light. I'm just interested in getting that little bit more oomph out of it for those moments that I might need it (overtaking occasional slow triple trailer semi's on short straights, etc.).

I've read that adding chips only handles part of the system, whereas re-programming would be more complete and therefore healthier. Does the Bluefin handle more than just the amount of fuel through those injectors ?

[Logzy]

You can buy the Bluefin flash tuner straight from the Superchips UK website, and have it delivered to your doorstep for approx $960. This is arguably the best tuning product out there, because it allows you to easily return to the stock ecu calibration whenever you like, and that price is half what the likes of Oettinger charge for their tune.

The only thing holding me back is that I have a DSG gearbox and I've become a victim of all the scaremongering (probably instigated by VW themselves to deter people from 'chipping' their cars) out there suggesting that the box can't handle any more than about 380 Nm. The Superchips tune for the GT TDI produces 430Nm (and it seems there is only one tune available on the Bluefin), so I'm obviously a bit concerned about it being too much for the gearbox.

Unfortunately, when I contacted Superchips with my concerns, I got a very generic response that sounded like it came from someone in the PR department, not someone with technical knowledge of the product.

So although I've been assured that their product is "designed to operate within safe tolerances so as not to compromise vehicle reliability", I'm still not convinced. Why would the likes of Oettinger and Tunit offer a map with much less torque for the DSG models if there wasn't an issue? Damn it, I love the DSG, but this torque issue is a real pain in the proverbial. :???:

Im in exactly the same boat as you.
Even contacting them resulted in a useless response.
To Gerards credit he was able to get hold of a torque curve for the 125kw TDI DSG. The touque is limited to 402nm which is still a concern as other tuners are limiting to 380nm for the DSG.
I asked why the 402 and how they decided this was a safe limit and just got the warranty type response regarding the engine being covered however this still does not answer us regarding the DSG.
I am also a bit suspect on the graph i was given and whether it was real or just drawn up.
The reason for this is that superchips first said that when they get a 125kw TDI DSG in their shop then they will do a dyno run then a day later the graph showed up.
I wonder whether this was just produced for marketing and was not really a proper dyno run result.
The superchips graphs dont look like your normal type dyno sheets anyway.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not bagging them here but i just want to be 100% satisfied that my car wont fail somewhere down the line.
At the moment i havent convinced myself of this and I also think it would be a real s h i t fight trying to make a claim on them of something did fail.
Another point is that the info on the cover is no longer on their website. (I cant find it anway.)
Having said all this, I am still considering it as i like the idea of it. I'm not considering any other tune

I also am having trouble getting a price off their website or adding a product to the basket, I was trying to have a play.

Is ordering online not available at the moment.?

[orsegtsport]

Good man Logzy, it looks you're the 'guinea pig' I've been waiting for! Seriously though, I've been hoping someone else with a DSG GT TDI would take the plunge, so I didn't have to be the first.

Yes it's very frustrating not being able to get a definitive answer regarding the DSG. I really want one of the Superchips Engineers to confirm that extensive testing was performed on a DSG model, not have some customer support (and I use the term loosely) person spin me some standard marketing line about their products not compromising vehicle reliability. :rolleyes:

I was just reading the thread over at the golfmkv forum, and blimey, is it that time of the month or something? Some of those guys need to go back to bed and try to get out of the right side this time! j: I totally agree with your post, and as a consumer you have every right to shop around for the best deal.

Anyway, one thing all the 'experts' over there failed to realise when estimating prices for buying the Bluefin online, is that you don't pay VAT, which means the price is actually 17.5% cheaper than that listed on the website. I was quoted £444.68 inc shipping when I enquired. And, you don't pay GST or import taxes either - if it's under a grand, it comes straight to your door without Customs getting involved.

I'm not sure what's wrong with the website, maybe you could email one of their very 'helpful' staff? j:

The only real advantage of buying locally is product support, but really, what can go wrong? Any software issues should easily be sorted over the internet, and you'd have to be seriously unlucky to get a defective handset (geez, I'm tempting fate making comments like that). Anyway, I'll save $400 and buy it from the UK thanks.

[orsegtsport]

My Golf is also DSG but because it's only a 1.9, I don't think I can go over the maximum this gearbox can handle. Please let me know if I am wrong in saying this?

I'm not trying to build a mechanical beast that I plan to thrash the box off of and leave a large portion of my tyres at every traffic light. I'm just interested in getting that little bit more oomph out of it for those moments that I might need it (overtaking occasional slow triple trailer semi's on short straights, etc.).

I've read that adding chips only handles part of the system, whereas re-programming would be more complete and therefore healthier. Does the Bluefin handle more than just the amount of fuel through those injectors ?
Yes, you won't have any worries, the bluefin will 'only' take your car to 305 Nm:

http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/apps.php

Yes if you believe their spiel, they don't just increase boost or fuel intake, they produce an entirely new 'map' and many different parameters are adjusted.

[Roobuls]

Yes, you won't have any worries, the bluefin will 'only' take your car to 305 Nm:

http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/apps.php

Yes if you believe their spiel, they don't just increase boost or fuel intake, they produce an entirely new 'map' and many different parameters are adjusted.


Thanks so much for that information. You have helped me make my decision and I am definetly going to order the bluefin.

It was interesting to read from that link (http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/plugin.php)that the bluefin will not only totally re-map your cars computer, but it can also be used as a diagnostic tool.

[Greg Roles]

Shyte, all you guys getting chips....I'm starting to cave....

[Jaymz]

Good man Logzy, it looks you're the 'guinea pig' I've been waiting for! Seriously though, I've been hoping someone else with a DSG GT TDI would take the plunge, so I didn't have to be the first.

Yes it's very frustrating not being able to get a definitive answer regarding the DSG. I really want one of the Superchips Engineers to confirm that extensive testing was performed on a DSG model, not have some customer support (and I use the term loosely) person spin me some standard marketing line about their products not compromising vehicle reliability. :rolleyes:


The problem with giving a definitive answer is the unknown or human factor or should i say in some cases the idiot factor.
Picture someone driving it like they stole it, doing burn outs in it and putting undue masses of stress on it compared to the majority of us who want a streetably quick car that will spend most of its time as a comuter to and from work.
A world of difference between the two.

The weak link in the drive train is the clutch or in the DSG's case, clutches. Clutches are designed to wear out and that is the nature of the beast, so thats why you will never get a definitive answer.

Have a look here (http://hybridliving.com.au/news/?p=4436) at the VW racing Jetta TDI series, they use the DSG. Wouldn't it be better following this series to hear of any inherit problems rather than reading some of the BS that goes on on websites?
Just a thought?

Hang on, i've just had another thought, trade it in and get a manual!!!j:

[mikinoz]

I am just going to buy the $45 dollar resistor mod from ebay - heck I am heading off to **** smith now to solder one up!

I am wondering in all honesty what more than longer injector opening times these remaps actually do?

[Greg Roles]

Quite a lot having seen the fuel maps between my stock, and Jamies chipped car on the dyno day, but having said that I DID do a resistor mod on the temp sensor of my EX's PT Cruiser, and MAN did it run better. Must have been way lean.

But hey, let us know how it goes Mr "Can't do too many mods" who is currently going nuts.....:D

[kertech]

well have ordered my bluefin from gc performance parts so as to have local warranty and support, total cost 1399.00 will pick up tommorow and have fun on the weekend with it.

Didn't want to chip until at least 1500k's on clock, will be interesting to see what change's it brings.

[dumbmonkey]

well have ordered my bluefin from gc performance parts so as to have local warranty and support, total cost 1399.00 will pick up tommorow and have fun on the weekend with it.

Didn't want to chip until at least 1500k's on clock, will be interesting to see what change's it brings.

What sort of diesel are you driving Kertech?

[kertech]

2.0 tdi 103kw comfortline dsg

[Logzy]

well have ordered my bluefin from gc performance parts so as to have local warranty and support, total cost 1399.00 will pick up tommorow and have fun on the weekend with it.

Didn't want to chip until at least 1500k's on clock, will be interesting to see what change's it brings.

Did you ask for a copy of the terms and conditions of their warranty.??
I'd be interested to read it but havent been sent a copy yet which i requested.

[kertech]

Logzy

i will scan and email to you if like pm me your addy, Speak to gerrad at GC Performance Parts, Very helpful and the australian distributor

[kertech]

Well got the bluefin friday and by time did it all it was too late that day, so waited till saturday.

OMFG how the hell did they get satan in my car !!!

The whole dynamics and acceleration is unreal, the back end now drops when planted, and i get a full push into seat.

Have tried going back and forth between tunes and works great.

Absolutley brillant love it, definetly recommend it. :smile:

[Logzy]

Well got the bluefin friday and by time did it all it was too late that day, so waited till saturday.

OMFG how the hell did they get satan in my car !!!

The whole dynamics and acceleration is unreal, the back end now drops when planted, and i get a full push into seat.

Have tried going back and forth between tunes and works great.

Absolutley brillant love it, definetly recommend it. :smile:

Please dont keep us guessing. What are you driving, what transmission.??

[gtimk5]

2.0 tdi 103kw comfortline dsg

All written there Lodgzy..... :?

[kertech]

2.0 tdi 103kw, comfortline, dsg, it is an 08 model, that's what it was, now wow no acceleration lag from stop and turbo thrust.

[Greg Roles]

......
I also am having trouble getting a price off their website or adding a product to the basket, I was trying to have a play.

Is ordering online not available at the moment.?

You too huh? :D

[RWK]

How does Volkswagen get 125kW of power at 4200rpm and 350Nm of torque from the new Golf 2.0 TDI GT Sport ???

Are they using chipping (or re-mapping) technology to do this ???
I'm sure it's the same engine that's in the standard 103kW 2.0 TDI Golf.

Also, I read some where that Volkswagen Australia is currently considering maintaining full new car warranty with the Oettinger upgrade.

Does anyone know if that was ever approved ????

They did not chip the engine to achieve the extra kw and torque. What they've done is fitting a bigger turbo on the 125kw version. (confirmed by VW Aus)

[Greg Roles]

Having recently spent some time on erwin, and having just read the 125kw self study manual, the differences are according to VW themselves:

Different injectors and higher pressure
Bigger turbo, different actuator mechanism and more accurate sensor
Lightened but forged crank - 4 counterweights instead of 8
Extra cooling channels in the block, especially around the injectors
Different EGR, with much larger exhaust gas cooler
Different head, lower profile valves, different pistons, trick headgasket
Changes to the inlet manifold, more agressive dual port inlet design with active swirl flaps

So definately a lot more than a re-map!

[dimsim]

Have any of you guys with the 103kw motor with bluefin put your car accross the dyno yet . Im interested to see the results. Thanks

[comfortline]

How does Volkswagen get 125kW of power at 4200rpm and 350Nm of torque from the new Golf 2.0 TDI GT Sport ???

Are they using chipping (or re-mapping) technology to do this ???
I'm sure it's the same engine that's in the standard 103kW 2.0 TDI Golf.

Also, I read some where that Volkswagen Australia is currently considering maintaining full new car warranty with the Oettinger upgrade.

Does anyone know if that was ever approved ????

The GT motor has different injectors (piezo's) and 18.5 compression (up half a point). There are other differences too.

Most common chips will bring you up to this level anyway.

[jayjay]

do you mean different injectors or a different fuel delivery system? don't piezzo injectors run off commonrail?

the gt also has a DPF! suckers! j: delete!!

[Mischa]

Having recently spent some time on erwin, and having just read the 125kw self study manual, the differences are according to VW themselves:

Different injectors and higher pressure
Bigger turbo, different actuator mechanism and more accurate sensor
Lightened but forged crank - 4 counterweights instead of 8
Extra cooling channels in the block, especially around the injectors
Different EGR, with much larger exhaust gas cooler
Different head, lower profile valves, different pistons, trick headgasket
Changes to the inlet manifold, more agressive dual port inlet design with active swirl flaps

So definately a lot more than a re-map!

copy that and paste it every time someone says "i can just chip my comfotline and it'll be the same as a gt sport" bla bla bla :D

[Greg Roles]

Power and torque wise, it possibly will be.

But the changes VW made aid the responsiveness, just consider the crank design, lightened and less counterweighted, yet forged for strength. Would make for a revvier diesel, as much as there are revvy diesels....j:

Most importantly, VW considered the long term survival of the engine. Just the exhaust gas recycling cooler alone is massively different between the two vehicles, the normal TDI has a very basic cooler, and the GT has a full on liquid cooled active bypass tube design about twice the size. Just that alone is designed to cope with higher exhaust temps, so a remapped 103kw will quite possibly be overloading systems such as this.

I was amazed just how much difference there is between the two when I read both self study articles. It was pretty much a redesign from the block up.

[gldgti]

very interesting, and good to know.

i still think that you comfortline can be chipped and driven hard without too much worry though, just as long as your prepared to make other changes like a large intercooler and completely new exhaust system optimised for low EGT's.... but i suppose, for the extra money, you would've bought a GT instead... hehe.

one day when mk5 golfs are old, THEN people can argue the benefits of buying a comfortline spec over the GT - it'll be like the GTI vs golf LS - buy the LS and mod the crap out of it, or buy the GTI and leave it stock :-D

[DSGMAn]

2.0 tdi 103kw, comfortline, dsg, it is an 08 model, that's what it was, now wow no acceleration lag from stop and turbo thrust.

I got the same Car kertech, with the Bluefin ecu flash - it goes like a dog shot in the A** - Runs so smooth from lowdown to up high - I can highly recommend Bluefin. Great support also :D

[Logzy]

I got the same Car kertech, with the Bluefin ecu flash - it goes like a dog shot in the A** - Runs so smooth from lowdown to up high - I can highly recommend Bluefin. Great support also :D

:D:D
Love the expression. "Goes like a dog shot in the arse.)