Mk 8 Golf

[kennyc]

Hi all,

Not sure where to post this but here is an interesting article on what to expect for the new Golf and when it will arrive in Australia:

Volkswagen Golf 8 production due in 2019, but Australian launch much further out (http://www.caradvice.com.au/616061/volkswagen-golf-8-production-due-in-2019-but-australian-launch-much-further-out/)

[crainger]

I'd be onboard for the GTE if it gets a power bump. Electric to work, petrol on the weekend. Depends on wether we start to see some EV rebates here I guess.

[sVWatt]

I am so looking forward to an all electric golf. No half-way hybrid.
All E with all wheel drive, and performance upgrades purchased over the air, through the cloud.
Yup.

[Alex31]

I am so looking forward to an all electric golf. No half-way hybrid.
All E with all wheel drive, and performance upgrades purchased over the air, through the cloud.
Yup.

Sorry mate not going to happen, VW has already said the E-Golf will not be made after MK7. The fully electric range of Vw is reserved for the I.D family.
Hybrids only for the golf, at least for the MK8 anyway.


Mk7.5 Golf R DSG. White Silver
Mk7 Golf TDI Highline. Limestone Green.

Family member VAG’s:
Amarok TDI Highline Auto
Skoda Superb TDI 140

[sVWatt]

Dang, cause this looked promising...

This Volkswagen Concept Could Preview the Next e-Golf >> AutoGuide.com News (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/07/this-volkswagen-concept-could-preview-the-next-e-golf.html)


Sorry mate not going to happen, VW has already said the E-Golf will not be made after MK7. The fully electric range of Vw is reserved for the I.D family.
Hybrids only for the golf, at least for the MK8 anyway.


Mk7.5 Golf R DSG. White Silver
Mk7 Golf TDI Highline. Limestone Green.

Family member VAG’s:
Amarok TDI Highline Auto
Skoda Superb TDI 140

[Dutch77]

I'll let the others fawn over E whatevers and once finished yawning focus on where the GTI/Rs will head to next.

Long live combustion and carbon.

[Alex31]

I would by an Electric VW as a second car. Keep the R for fun.
Batteries aside, (I’m sorry to say this) but electric motors are superior to ICE...


Mk7.5 Golf R DSG. White Silver
Mk7 Golf TDI Highline. Limestone Green.

Family member VAG’s:
Amarok TDI Highline Auto
Skoda Superb TDI 140

[Dutch77]

Superior in the aspects I don't care for though.. when that day comes I'll move on.

I guess it's just sad the first thing people discuss on a new model with such heritage is it's electric status. May as well discuss stick blenders.. :P

[Alex31]

You don’t care about Torque Curve? [emoji6]


Mk7.5 Golf R DSG. White Silver
Mk7 Golf TDI Highline. Limestone Green.

Family member VAG’s:
Amarok TDI Highline Auto
Skoda Superb TDI 140

[sVWatt]

Superior in the aspects I don't care for though.. when that day comes I'll move on.

I guess it's just sad the first thing people discuss on a new model with such heritage is it's electric status. May as well discuss stick blenders.. :P

Heritage - humbug!
Keep going back and you’ll get to coal, and sail, and horse, and bipedal-
It’s evolution, and the the Golf has always stood for measured evolution.

Embrace the big E
😉

[Dutch77]

I'm not disputing the instant torque/acceleration benefit, but pure electric is as boring as bat excreta.

I can accept it in a hybrid form - particularly in a Porsche style performance application, and with the added benefits in stop/start traffic in pure electric mode, but the battery weight and other limitations have zero appeal.

I also can't stand the pompous gits who think they're saving the world who drive them.. particularly the new age Tesla driver who actually has the money to buy something decent and still chooses mediocrity in some pointless green flag waving exercise. It's a drivers version of a Hollywood tool flying on a private jet to attend a 'tell the rest of the world how to live' conference in some ski resort halfway across the world.

Damn it I should really grab my morning coffee before logging on here.

Maybe I'll just keep an eye out on the HSV converted Camaros. :P

[sVWatt]

Damn it I should really grab my morning coffee before logging on here.



:drinkbeer:

[rosslm]

Autocar report on MK8 the countdown 2019 Volkswagen Golf Mk8: first official preview image revealed | Autocar (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-volkswagen-golf-mk8-first-official-preview-image-revealed)

[Dutch77]

I'd be happy with that side profile - feels chunky, a little Mk4 like in profile, or maybe it's just me.

I'm sure we will be seeing a lot of these renderings in the next year, although I prefer this over the dodgy render I picked up yesterday for the wheel thread. :)

[Mk R]

I'm not disputing the instant torque/acceleration benefit, but pure electric is as boring as bat excreta.

I can accept it in a hybrid form - particularly in a Porsche style performance application, and with the added benefits in stop/start traffic in pure electric mode, but the battery weight and other limitations have zero appeal.

I also can't stand the pompous gits who think they're saving the world who drive them.. particularly the new age Tesla driver who actually has the money to buy something decent and still chooses mediocrity in some pointless green flag waving exercise. It's a drivers version of a Hollywood tool flying on a private jet to attend a 'tell the rest of the world how to live' conference in some ski resort halfway across the world.

Damn it I should really grab my morning coffee before logging on here.

Maybe I'll just keep an eye out on the HSV converted Camaros. :P

I feel as though you’re conflating technology with ideology. Don’t let smug preachers turn you off a type of engineering. The only drawback for electric cars is really the noise or lack of. When you really get a beast, however it sounds like banshees screaming their way out of hell. Watch this clip from the Nio EP9 interior breaking the Nurburgring record and see if it doesn’t grow on you. The acceleration potential, handling and speed is almost disturbing YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MRydmz86E)

[Dutch77]

I feel as though you’re conflating technology with ideology. Don’t let smug preachers turn you off a type of engineering. The only drawback for electric cars is really the noise or lack of. When you really get a beast, however it sounds like banshees screaming their way out of hell. Watch this clip from the Nio EP9 interior breaking the Nurburgring record and see if it doesn’t grow on you. The acceleration potential, handling and speed is almost disturbing YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MRydmz86E)

I get what you're saying - and yes it is annoying that in some applications, like a one lap wonder, the electric solution is impressive.

The drawback for electric is more than lack of noise. The weight and range still needs a lot of work, irrespective of what Tesla want to boast about.. and the cost. Now sure, if Governments are stupidly going to subsidise the recharging then eventually by the time I'm dead we might hit the payback period finally - if the batteries lasted that long.

Clearly hybrid solutions are still going to be the backbone for some time and I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of the hydrogen fuel cell technology that VAG has seemingly abandoned for now.

I won't even get into the ideology. ;)

For now, I'm glad the next GTI/R will be petrol.

[kennyc]

Long live combustion and carbon.

+100


For now, I'm glad the next GTI/R will be petrol.

I'm with you on this Dutch. Couldn't give a toss about electric cars!

[Dutch77]

+100



I'm with you on this Dutch. Couldn't give a toss about electric cars!

Just so long as they give you Dynaudio eh kennyc? :P

[Rooboy]

Just so long as they give you Dynaudio eh kennyc? :P

How much would having the Dynaudio cranked up reduce the range? :rolllaugh:

[Kachingg]

The mark 8 will still be built on the mqb platform that the mark7 and 7.5 are so much like the mark 5 to mark 6 which used the same platform so expect handing and ride to be similar to current with upgraded interior with a lot more tech (yum yum) and a slightly changed exterior also more power and a 48 volt electric system so will be a interesting car coming into the change to driverless cars
I will be holding off till the mark 9 with a whole new platform and engines in 2028ish if my mark 7.5 lasts that long

[kennyc]

Just so long as they give you Dynaudio eh kennyc? :P

Why be like that???? :(

[Dutch77]

Why be like that???? :(

Sorry mate, I know it's a sore point.

In all seriousness you'd think VW Oz saw the light and brought it back by demand and keep it on for Mk8.

Surely there are some after market options if you're an audiophile that are superior? Albeit I guess this should be carried back to the Mk7 thread..

[Sydneykid]

My wife and I jumped into her M7 Highline and drove from Sydney to Coonawarra in 12 hours with one stop at Albury for fuel, for us and the Golf. Try that in an electric car :rolleyes:


Cheers
Gary

[Tobes_WIR35]

The drawback for electric is more than lack of noise. The weight and range still needs a lot of work, irrespective of what Tesla want to boast about.. and the cost. Now sure, if Governments are stupidly going to subsidise the recharging then eventually by the time I'm dead we might hit the payback period finally - if the batteries lasted that long.

Clearly hybrid solutions are still going to be the backbone for some time and I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of the hydrogen fuel cell technology that VAG has seemingly abandoned for now.

I have no interest in buying an electric car for myself, because I'm too much of a petrol head. I also get really worked up by "greenwashing".

Nonetheless the evidence that electric cars are demonstrably better (or perhaps "less worse") for the environment in terms of net carbon emissions is very clear. The financial payback is also there, if you do a lot of kms of mostly city driving (e.g. fleet cars). Otherwise if your prime concern with a car is cost of ownership, the answer is to buy a Hyundai i20.

The government doesn't need to subsidise charging infrastructure. We already have it. There are under-utilised powerlines on every street. Our power bills are going up largely because of fixed network charges (poles & wires). If those poles & wires are better utilised, the fixed costs are spread out more and the amortized price of a unit of energy (kWh) will drop. Of the 25-30c you pay for a kWh of energy, roughly only 6c is the wholesale price to generate that unit of energy.

The biggy is where the electrical energy comes from of course. Electric cars will still provide a marginal net benefit in terms of lifecycle analysis of their environmental impact even if run totally on coal electricity, however obviously if you can charge it from renewable sources it will be much cleaner (or "less dirty").

There are also the benefits of energy security and volatility. If you drive a petrol car, your energy costs and security are pretty much totally at the mercy of international producers, most of whom are not our friends. On the other hand, as a country we can be 100% self sufficient for our electrical energy.

So you might have your opinion about an ideology, which is fine, but most of it is actually just sensible logic and not ideology at all. The problem is you only ever hear from the noisy preachy ones who are ideologues.

*edit* P.S. I am an electrical engineer who has done a significant amount of work in this field and was recently commissioned by the Qld Govt to write a paper about it.

[Paulc1964au]

Any idea when the Mark8 R will be released? Can someone point me to a site with the specs?

[Rooboy]

Any idea when the Mark8 R will be released? Can someone point me to a site with the specs?

Mk8 won't be launched next year with the first cars to come off the line in June 2019. Oz release is sometime in 2020. This site is saying it will be a little bigger than current golf with some cars getting a 48v mild hybrid system while the R will get a bump to 260kW.

New 2019 Volkswagen Golf Mk8 spied for the first time | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/89538/new-2019-volkswagen-golf-mk8-spied-for-the-first-time)

[Paulc1964au]

Gee going to be some wait i woner if its worth it

[Flipper Dog]

And then you have the mandatory 12 months model release wait so they can fix any faults for the first batch.

[Paul_R]

Looks like the rumours are firming up on a Mk 8 Golf R with 300 kW. Carsales have an article on it today.

VW, if you are listening, make it in wagon form as well please.

[dinot81]

German car magazine AutoBild mentioned in their article about future VW R models that Audi refused to lend the 2.5 litre, 5 cyl unit for the new Golf R due in 2020 so there is a chance that it might be built with the upcoming 3.0 VR6 Turbo but detuned from Arteon / Passat R. They talked about roughly 260kw as mentioned above.

2015 Tiguan 130TDI R-Line, Pepper Grey, Panoramic Sunroof

[Sydneykid]

I have no interest in buying an electric car for myself, because I'm too much of a petrol head. I also get really worked up by "greenwashing".

Nonetheless the evidence that electric cars are demonstrably better (or perhaps "less worse") for the environment in terms of net carbon emissions is very clear. The financial payback is also there, if you do a lot of kms of mostly city driving (e.g. fleet cars). Otherwise if your prime concern with a car is cost of ownership, the answer is to buy a Hyundai i20.

The government doesn't need to subsidise charging infrastructure. We already have it. There are under-utilised powerlines on every street. Our power bills are going up largely because of fixed network charges (poles & wires). If those poles & wires are better utilised, the fixed costs are spread out more and the amortized price of a unit of energy (kWh) will drop. Of the 25-30c you pay for a kWh of energy, roughly only 6c is the wholesale price to generate that unit of energy.

The biggy is where the electrical energy comes from of course. Electric cars will still provide a marginal net benefit in terms of lifecycle analysis of their environmental impact even if run totally on coal electricity, however obviously if you can charge it from renewable sources it will be much cleaner (or "less dirty").

There are also the benefits of energy security and volatility. If you drive a petrol car, your energy costs and security are pretty much totally at the mercy of international producers, most of whom are not our friends. On the other hand, as a country we can be 100% self sufficient for our electrical energy.

So you might have your opinion about an ideology, which is fine, but most of it is actually just sensible logic and not ideology at all. The problem is you only ever hear from the noisy preachy ones who are ideologues.

*edit* P.S. I am an electrical engineer who has done a significant amount of work in this field and was recently commissioned by the Qld Govt to write a paper about it.Apparently the Government is looking at 1 million electric cars by 2020. As an electrical engineer can you explain how, when 1 million cars arrive home from work at, say, 7pm and get plugged into charge, where the electricity will come from? The sun has set and as a result there's no solar power and the wind isn't blowing today. Considering a Tesla S needs 90kwh to charge from empty, where is that amount of power coming from? Will the wiring in my street be able to supply the number of electric cars?


Cheers
Gary

[Paul_R]

You’ve indirectly answered your own question. You wouldn’t plug it in at home. It would be plugged in at work. Plus, you won’t need to charge every car fully every day.

[Sydneykid]

You’ve indirectly answered your own question. You wouldn’t plug it in at home. It would be plugged in at work.
Plus, you won’t need to charge every car fully every day.
Nice side step of the practical issues, full credit, but they still remain.

My work is going to pay for charging my car? I don't think so.
Our open air ground level car park at work fits 200 odd cars, that's a hell of a lot of power and a lot of charging points. Who is going to pay for them, installation and maintenance?
I have driven a Tesla S to work and it needed charging every second day. Even then it was risky because I can be called out, a couple of hundred K's round trip, and can't afford to run out of charge.

There are real world, practical issues that get swept under the carpet, but they aren't going away.


Cheers
Gary

[Idle]

Nice side step of the practical issues, full credit, but they still remain.

There are real world, practical issues that get swept under the carpet, but they aren't going away.

Cheers
Gary

Another real world practical issue is that, one fine day, fossil fuels are going to disappear, never to be seen on this planet again.
It won't happen today, tomorrow, nor even yet next week, but one day the inevitable is going to hit the fan, and what does A do then?
That, to my mind, is what the frantic effort to develop alternative power sources is mostly about -- the impending threat dwarfs pollution and noise.

Think on it

Idle

[Transporter]

Apparently the Government is looking at 1 million electric cars by 2020. As an electrical engineer can you explain how, when 1 million cars arrive home from work at, say, 7pm and get plugged into charge, where the electricity will come from? The sun has set and as a result there's no solar power and the wind isn't blowing today. Considering a Tesla S needs 90kwh to charge from empty, where is that amount of power coming from? Will the wiring in my street be able to supply the number of electric cars?


Cheers
Gary

Affordability and convenience for average person is where the full electric car will hit its first big obstacle. I can’t see the secondhand electric car market either.
I can’t wait to see how Volvo will prosper from 2019, producing only electric or hybrid cars. Despite they still didn’t produce single full electric car. :?
All Volvo cars to be electric or hybrid from 2019 | Business | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/05/volvo-cars-electric-hybrid-2019)

[Sydneykid]

Another real world practical issue is that, one fine day, fossil fuels are going to disappear, never to be seen on this planet again.
It won't happen today, tomorrow, nor even yet next week, but one day the inevitable is going to hit the fan, and what does A do then?
That, to my mind, is what the frantic effort to develop alternative power sources is mostly about -- the impending threat dwarfs pollution and noise.
Think on it
Idle
Actually I have thought on it and I'm old enough to remember that back in the 70's it was predicted that we would run out of oil within 40 years. For example the 1975 International Petroleum Encyclopedia calculated, at 1975 consumption rates, that we would run out of oil completely, world wide, by 2015. I filled up my Polo yesterday and it's 2018, so another doomsday prediction debunked.

Personally I'm holding out for my Mr Fusion, as previewed in BTTF in 1987, which, after predicting the Cubs World Series win to within 1 year, has a better track record than the International Petroleum Encyclopedia.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/1505754989_mrfusionbiofuelbritishairways-1.jpg


Cheers
Gary

[Sydneykid]

Affordability and convenience for average person is where the full electric car will hit its first big obstacle.I can see it now, "sorry boss I can't make it to work today, the sun didn't shine last night and there was no wind so I couldn't charge my car".

Cheers
Gary

[Idle]

I can see it now, "sorry boss I can't make it to work today, the sun didn't shine last night and there was no wind so I couldn't charge my car".

Cheers
Gary

And the straws are already in the wind (when there is a wind).

[Ozsko]

Porsche are in the middle of building a new production line strictly for electric vehicles so they might know a thing or two about the market I reckon. Those who think EV's are not going to take over from the IC motor are living in dreamland. It won't happen tomorrow and it won't happen for all markets and purposes for a long time but it is going to happen eventually. This is an interesting video of the next Porsche EV, the interesting thing is the Porsche reps comments on EV's and that they accept the inevitability of it and also when they actually started to develop EV's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBADJfA5Bo4

[Transporter]

Porsche are in the middle of building a new production line strictly for electric vehicles so they might know a thing or two about the market I reckon. Those who think EV's are not going to take over from the IC motor are living in dreamland. It won't happen tomorrow and it won't happen for all markets and purposes for a long time but it is going to happen eventually. This is an interesting video of the next Porsche EV, the interesting thing is the Porsche reps comments on EV's and that they accept the inevitability of it and also when they actually started to develop EV's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBADJfA5Bo4

I’ve never said it won’t happen. Only it won’t be, like we have electric cars flooding our roads anytime soon. Make no mistake, that Ic engine will still be powering our cars for many years to come. I don’t consider hybrid an electric car, as it’s not, it’s a hybrid. First hybrid that was readily available Toyota Prius hit the showroom more than 20 years ago.

Unless the battery in the EV recharges within 10-15minutes, I can’t imagine how many charging stations we would need? Considering that it takes 5 minutes to refill the fuel tank and often there are ques at the petrol stations. Can you imagine EVs spending 1hour or more to get some charge in it :?

As I said, today’s car is very convenient, just fill up an go. After all, electric motor in the vehicles is as old as the IC engine and it was IC engine right up to now for convenience.
The car manufacturers need to sell and if market is not buying the EVs, how long can they go without profit?
I don’t think that the hybrids or EVs made today are bread and butter models for any car manufacturer? :cool:

[Ozsko]

What everyone needs to understand is that EVERY EUROPEAN MANUFACTURER is planning a huge model introduction of EV's and China has already laid down the rules for about 20% of cars sold have to be electric from the early 20's. The impact of that will mean that it won't be a case of buying what you want but buying what is made and sold in this country. The VW dealer I spoke to today told me that there will be an electric Golf in Oz this year but I will believe that when I see it. There is a truism in this world, never believe what a car salesman tells you. As for charging, when petrol was first introduced there was no petrol stations and if you went for a drive a bloke stood on the side of the road selling petrol out of cans so things were not what we see today. I think for day to day running around in the metro area a large amount of charging will be done at home, some won't be able to do this as they live in flats and apartments but they will be in the minority. Everyone in Oz thinks that the range is the problem when 99% of them never drive outside the metro area and the mythical interstate trip will take a week to complete when most have never driven such a trip.

[Transporter]

Let’s just hope that everything goes according to plan. :)

Though, this article and many others suggests that the IC engine will still be in passenger cars by mid century and somehow I see it as plausible.
German spark-ignited compression-ignition research paralleling Mazda’s SPCCI (https://www.sae.org/news/2018/04/saci-engine---sae-high-efficiency-engines-symposium?eid=333230913&bid=2066074)

[Sydneykid]

The only reason, THE ONLY REASON that electric cars are being developed by the car manufacturers is government regulation that effectively mandates it. Sure they often disguise it as fuel efficiency and emissions improvements but the only way to achieve the mandates is via electric cars. Some governments are simply going to ban non electric cars from major cities, whilst at the same time allowing the big polluters in diesel buses and trucks, hypocrites. The vast majority of consumers don't want electric cars, they don't want to pay the additional costs, they don't want the inconvenience of waiting hours on a country trip recharging the battery. They are being forced by their governments to do something that they fundamentally don't want to do. At some point the electorate might just wake up and vote them out and then electric cars will die the same way and for the same reasons as they have in the past. On a level playing field they just can't compete.

Cheers
Gary

[Transporter]

+100
The government, all politicians and environmentalists should be first adopters, driving only and only full electric cars everywhere they travel including their personal life.

[Idle]

+100
The government, all politicians and environmentalists should be first adopters, driving only and only full electric cars everywhere they travel including their personal life.

Nothing beats having a bit of a stir now and again! - but one day all this will happen.

At 94, I don't expect to see it, tho'.

[Flipper Dog]

As for charging, when petrol was first introduced there was no petrol stations and if you went for a drive a bloke stood on the side of the road selling petrol out of cans so things were not what we see today.

Drive around some not so rich countries now and you still see this. Not out of cans but plastic bottles.

[Idle]

Drive around some not so rich countries now and you still see this. Not out of cans but plastic bottles.

In the early days of motoring here, you bought benzine from a shop - often from a chemist.

I can remember my granddad still referring to petrol as "benzine" in the 1920's.

Also, in 1954 I took delivery of a Triumph TR2 and found I had to add benzol to the only petrol available (we were still on wartime "pool" - they never said what pool they got it out of, but it wasn't a good one) to keep the thing from rattling its head off.

Also its original plugs failed in a couple of days, as did the reluctantly supplied warranty replacements - the cure there was a set of Lodge platinum points (at my own expense, of course.)

Today's drivers don't realise how good they've got it under current warranty conditions.

[kennyc]

Think this is real?

YouTube (https://youtu.be/wKb-PPQZ2sM)

If it is, I don't like the exterior but live the interior.

[Dutch77]

Just a collection of existing mock-ups.. nothing to see here.

Or worry about Kenny. :)

[Dutch77]

Fortunately this horrible render is not the next Mk 8.

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[Flipper Dog]

Why did they replace the i30 badge?

[Arnold]

The Golf8 GTI will have an 1800cc normally aspirated turbo engine producing 188kw and 450nNm of torque. The tailgate will automatically remain closed if firmly shut and there will be no need to open it to access the spare tyre as all four tyres will run flat if under inflated. The 19" Arcturus-style alloy wheels are likely to cause PTSD in former Volvo V40 owners. This is intentional. The space-eating false floor made unpopular in the Golf7 and mercilessly carried over into the Golf7.5 will only be available in a special 'Escobar' edition of the GTI that is pending the conclusion of a licensing deal with a Medellin cartel. The 'Escobar' is expected to be released around the same time as Volkswagen's negotiating team. Apart from the exasperating boot and aspirating engine, digital technology will display mostly analogue instruments on an LED dashboard so brightly lit that the sunglasses carrier will come equipped with a pair of welders goggles. Responding to customer feedback, the passenger door is expected to unlock when unlocked and the driver's window when being raised will not reverse direction when the ignition key is removed. Usually. How competitive will be the 8th generation GTI on the track will not be known until before the conclusion of testing at the Nordschleife but which is in abeyance of a day when Hyundai engineers, not to mention local punks, are not tooling around the ring obscenely quickly in i30Ns for more "testing" and leaving VWs head of design, Walter da Silva, variously sleepless and contemplating a move to Seoul. Finally, the ashtray will be deleted as a concession to climate change and the ongoing effects on bonuses of the emissions testing scandal. More to come. Possibly. Including some startling predictions about the GolfX.

[Dutch77]

^ :? :troll:

Anyway - this is actually the first official VW teaser of the Mk8:

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No surprise it will be another evolutionary model off the Mk7/7.5 in profile, that front end looks like it will borrow more from Polo than the SUV range; the rear looks like a worrying take of a Tig light cluster (it's worst design feature).

Typical rear renderings are showing up per C&D.

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[Arnold]

I do apologise, Dutch; I did not post that photo from June as I presumed everybody would have seen it by now but it would seem to support your theory that the Golf8 will evolve from the 7. I was hoping the Golf8 would evolve from the Mark V but you can't have everything and your theory seems pretty indisputable, depending on your sense of humour of course.

[Dutch77]

The VW teaser is a couple of weeks old so posting it in June would have been a real coup.

As for the render, it is a lot older than June but I just picked one at random to discuss a point.

As for humour, please add some and we can have a chuckle together. Or are you still working out how to win a car 2/3 of the time? ;)

[zardoz]

This looks interesting:
All-New 2020 VW Golf Mk8 Filmed In South Africa? (Update – New Video) (https://www.carscoops.com/2018/12/possible-new-vw-golf-mk8-spotted-south-africa/)

[Dutch77]

I had seen that floating around but assume it's a fake - although it might not be far off how the product may look judging by what is known/teased.

[Ralfi]

This looks interesting:
All-New 2020 VW Golf Mk8 Filmed In South Africa? (Update – New Video) (https://www.carscoops.com/2018/12/possible-new-vw-golf-mk8-spotted-south-africa/)
Sounds like the same couple spotted both cars!

Sus.

[Ozsko]

Aurocars crack at the Mk 9 golf New 2019 Volkswagen Golf: Official image released of Mk8 hatchback | Autocar (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/new-2019-volkswagen-golf-official-image-released-mk8-hatchback)

The images are old, the story.....believe what you will though hybrid is a certainty.

[Arnold]

The VW teaser is a couple of weeks old so posting it in June would have been a real coup.

As for the render, it is a lot older than June but I just picked one at random to discuss a point.

As for humour, please add some and we can have a chuckle together. Or are you still working out how to win a car 2/3 of the time? ;)

The teaser has proved to be quite close to the final, the pre-production cars adopting the line of the rear quarter window.

Not sure if you ever got that in Monty Hall you win by switching every time.

Whatever your views on that matter, it appears that a Golf8 your sense of humour.

[andrew7]

2020 Volkswagen Golf spied | CarAdvice (https://www.caradvice.com.au/731640/2020-volkswagen-golf-spied/)

A reveal not too far off?

[spikeyboy22]

2020 Volkswagen Golf Mk8 Photographed Virtually Undisguised From All Angles | Carscoops (https://www.carscoops.com/2019/03/2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-photographed-virtually-undisguised-from-all-angles)

I think we are getting very close now, but I think after seeing these pics I am a little less excited ...

Thoughts anyone ?

[Flipper Dog]

Nice find. I like the wheel design.

[rosslm]

Noticed the headlights extend deeper into the guard covered by tape and fake bumper joint on the green car also fake rear reflectors and tape below the rear window and taillights, also the chrome strip lower grill near badge looks fake. Rear light lenses have some additional camouflage will be finer than shown.

[limiteded]

The front and rear bumpers do not look like the production versions, they look incomplete, and the strategy of disguise by using body coloured taping around a few key features only, iwould think suggests that this is also a a bit of an exercise to gauge interest/reaction to concepts of the new golf design.
I would hazard a guess that the final front grill may well be larger and form into the headlights, but maybe not

[Rooboy]

Noticed the headlights extend deeper into the guard covered by tape and fake bumper joint on the green car also fake rear reflectors and tape below the rear window and taillights, also the chrome strip lower grill near badge looks fake. Rear light lenses have some additional camouflage will be finer than shown.

Agree with your assessment. That grille opening will be very slim. Not sure how the lower intake will look though but the basic outline is there.

[Dutch77]

Time out from testing for a Maccas run and discussion on why the masses don't get probability:

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[rosslm]

These renderings from Autobild look close to the mark 2020 Golf R

VW Golf 8 R (2020): Neuvorstellung - Zukunft - autobild.de (https://www.autobild.de/videos/vw-golf-r-2020-neuvorstellung-retusche-details-zukunft-14693751.html)

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[Ozsko]

New Volkswagen Golf launch delayed - report | Autocar (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/new-volkswagen-golf-launch-delayed-report)

[rosslm]

Golf R MK8 Plus being reported 400+ HP

New Volkswagen Golf range to be topped by 400bhp R Plus | Autocar (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-volkswagen-golf-range-be-topped-400bhp-r-plus)

[Dutch77]

Interesting idea - but if it was priced similar to an RS3 - I'd umm, buy an RS3. :)

The five cylinder sound was worth the coin.

[Olle]

Exactly my thinking, Dutch.

It's a little bit like the Arteon in my head, priced similarly to an Audi A4. VW forget that people shopping in that bracket are likely going to not even consider a VW, let alone one priced close to the RS3 5pot.

[Dutch77]

At least the Arteon has a bit of presence, whereas perhaps the A4 is a bit conservative (clean and crisp that way I like it, but who is buying base sedans anymore?) but yes, precisely.

Ramping up the power just turns the acceleration into all a bit of a blur and appendage swinging contest.. I'd rather an old school 4.5 second RS4 V8 than a 4.0 second R+ / AMG45. The five cylinder RS3 was another matter. :)

[spikeyboy22]

New 2019 Volkswagen Golf: latest spy shots show Mk8's shape | Auto Express (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/89538/new-2019-volkswagen-golf-latest-spy-shots-show-mk8s-shape)

[Dutch77]

New 2019 Volkswagen Golf: latest spy shots show Mk8's shape | Auto Express (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/89538/new-2019-volkswagen-golf-latest-spy-shots-show-mk8s-shape)

In line with the earlier feed then.

Evolution of the existing shape with the look debuted on the Polo appearing up front.

Now cue the 'my mark <1/2/3/4/5/6/7/7.5> looks way better than this' thread. :)

[andrew7]

Mk8 Launch delayed: Volkswagen Golf global launch delayed until late February 2020 | CarAdvice (https://www.caradvice.com.au/751093/volkswagen-golf-launch-delay/)

[Ozsko]

It will be interesting to see how VW handle over the air updates in Oz.

[Dutch77]

On the plus side it will detect when the car is entering a testing facility so can flick to the clean tune.

And then void your warranty when you hit the track. :P

[Kachingg]

On the plus side it will detect when the car is entering a testing facility so can flick to the clean tune.

And then void your warranty when you hit the track. :P

And will automatically detect a tune and void your warranty

Imagine getting a email in your inbox while the car is on the dyno.... :facepalm:

[Ozsko]

How will that happen if VW do not have a connected network in Oz? They certainly have shown no signs of setting one up or have I missed something?

[Dutch77]

No idea - I haven't looked at the tech or what they need; just a general commentary on what connected can mean in reality. :)

[Ozsko]

VW have a complete Europe wide network but I can't see that happening in many other places such as Oz, the US etc so the hard truth is no matter what they say the most connected car in the world won't be connected outside of Europe/GB. They were giving away data plugs for VW connect in the UK trying to encourage people to connect their Tiguan so they could harvest the data and I was able to get one just because I could but I knew it would not work here so really a pointless thing to do. Volkswagen Connect | Free Data Plug | Pulman Volkswagen (https://pulmanvolkswagen.co.uk/app-connect)

[Dutch77]

What's it actually run on?

My 340 had inbuilt google maps/service emails etc - but it was just going via sim as part of their free connected package at the time (appreciating that's a cost that VWA wouldn't spend on, and clearly Australia is far too small to build anything VW dedicated).

[Ozsko]

The data plug utilises whatever network that VW use or have set up and feeds data back to VW and allows the owner to check trip details and other assorted stuff. Beyond that I haven't got any information. The network also allows the emergency call button in the car to be used and if the driver becomes incapacitated it will call home I believe where that system is fitted.

[Dutch77]

The emergency call is a useful feature in a place like Australia so long as it's in range of whatever it needs.

Interesting times ahead.

[spikeyboy22]

2020 VW Golf 8 Reveals Its Digital Cockpit In Official Rendering Ahead Of October Debut

2020 VW Golf 8 Reveals Its Digital Cockpit In Official Rendering Ahead Of October Debut | Carscoops (https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/2020-vw-golf-8-reveals-its-digital-cockpit-in-official-rendering-ahead-of-october-debut/)

[DrWHO]

Mk 8 delayed...

Volkswagen Golf Mk8 Australian launch delayed to Q4, 2020 | Drive (https://www.drive.com.au/news/volkswagen-golf-mk8-australian-launch-delayed-to-q4-2020-121544.html?trackLink=SMH2&utm_campaign=tile-3&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=smh)

[Ozsko]

It will be interesting to see how this car affects the after market tuning and modification suppliers. It might be the first VW car to report home if the car is modified and if so that will create issues as you buy the car and should be able to do what you want with it without penalty though theoretically that is not the case now anyway. Tesla have had the problem and taken measures to either stop or limit mods as they saw fit by restoring the car to as built.

[Jondalar]

Getting closer, now VW are teasing images VW Golf 2020: New-gen hatch nearing official unveiling in Spring - Car News | CarsGuide (https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/volkswagen-golf-mark-8-teased-to-be-unveiled-in-spring-75913)

[Sharkie]

It will be interesting to see how this car affects the after market tuning and modification suppliers. It might be the first VW car to report home if the car is modified and if so that will create issues as you buy the car and should be able to do what you want with it without penalty though theoretically that is not the case now anyway. Tesla have had the problem and taken measures to either stop or limit mods as they saw fit by restoring the car to as built.

What it means, is that you have to buy a car that already performs how you want it to from the factory. For a Golf R for example, stump up a bit extra and buy a new A45S instead .... it already does 0-100 in 3.8s from the factory :P

Jokes aside, that is probably exactly what I will do next.