132 comfortline vs 140 tdi questions

[snapper17]

Hi

We are looking at the 140 tdi my18 model. Test drove one today it was pretty good.
Does it have a timing chain or belt? what about the 132?

The salesman basically told us to go for the 132 instead as we are not doing many kms nor towing anything.
He said they are basically the same inside just the 140 has 18" wheels as apposed to 17. A few cosmetic differences.
Are they the only real differences apart from of course a petrol engine vs diesel?

thx

[doc_777]

My wife has a 2016 Comfortline 132, I have a 2017 Alltrack Wolfsburg with the 140tdi motor. My ideal would have been my Wolfsburg alltrack, with the 132TSI motor. That is how highly I think of it.

The 140TDI gets better economy, but the 132TSI is a great all-round engine.

140TDI has timing belt which (if you believe) does no require replacement through the life of the vehicle.

They drive very differently too - the TSI is comparatively "peppy", whereas the TDI is more of a "lugger". Nothing that I really don't like about the TDI, I guess I'm just very impressed with the TSI.

Hope that helps, and if you have any specific questions you would like answered, please feel free to ask.

[Jimi]

The brochure will have a section at the back directly comparing the two model grades

[Hillbilly]

If you are only doing short trips buy the petrol version as diesels work better and last longer if kept hot.

Whilst I have TDI I only use it for trips that allow it to get up to temp and stay like that for a period. Not for short trips to the local shops.

[ope126]

Hi

We are looking at the 140 tdi my18 model. Test drove one today it was pretty good.
Does it have a timing chain or belt? what about the 132?

The salesman basically told us to go for the 132 instead as we are not doing many kms nor towing anything.
He said they are basically the same inside just the 140 has 18" wheels as apposed to 17. A few cosmetic differences.
Are they the only real differences apart from of course a petrol engine vs diesel?

thx

Mate go the VW website and download a brochure; VW Passat 2017 | Sedans | Volkswagen Australia (https://www.volkswagen.com.au/en/models/passat.html)

Your salesman is lazy and is doing you a disservice.

Here is the model range (excl. Alltrack);
132TSI
132TSI Comfortline
140TDI Highline
206TSI R-Line

The Highline model is the 140TDI...

Of course you could option up with option packs etc. But the 140TDI Highline has more standard features than the 132TSI and 132TSI Comfortline...

Sounds like you need to do a bit more research or go to another dealer!

[snapper17]

Hi all
Thx for the replies. Yes i read the broacher there were a few cosmetic differences. He mentioned petrol is better for short trips. We are not planning long trips each time. There will be many short trips.

We will test drive the 132 comfortline and 206 to see if its worth getting all the 206 extras.

Thx

[ope126]

Hi all
Thx for the replies. Yes i read the broacher there were a few cosmetic differences. He mentioned petrol is better for short trips. We are not planning long trips each time. There will be many short trips.

We will test drive the 132 comfortline and 206 to see if its worth getting all the 206 extras.

Thx

Big difference in price between a 132TSI Comfortline and a 206TSI R-Line...just saying!:cool:

[neil]

Don't forget if you were in a serious car accident with your family what would you prefer to be sitting on , 55 litres of highly flammable unleaded fuel or much lower flammable diesel.

[Transporter]

Hi all
Thx for the replies. Yes i read the broacher there were a few cosmetic differences. He mentioned petrol is better for short trips. We are not planning long trips each time. There will be many short trips.

We will test drive the 132 comfortline and 206 to see if its worth getting all the 206 extras.

Thx

All our cars with the TDIs do short trips, some extremely short thrips and they have 0 problems. Not affected by that, all scaremongering that you will block the DPF comes from very early days as they had the problems with the DPF pressure sensors and were often misdiagnosed, also some owners ignored the sign “check engine - workshop “, and the social medias did a good job in spreading the hysteria.

Though, if you only drive 1.5 km trips to the bus stop? You will get into the problems with the DPF, you will also kill your TSI, any engine really.

Advantage of TDI over TSI are:
higher torque always available, better fuel economy (especially in the city and on the short trips), much longer engine life and less maintenance. Better for towing and when driven fully loaded, especially through the hills.

Maybe the dealers are trying to push the sales of the TSIs and from the media you may get impressions that it really is the end of the diesel in the pasanger cars, but don’t get mislead, the diesel engines are here to stay, because there are obvious advantages over the petrol, even the electric. :)

[Hillbilly]

Don't forget if you were in a serious car accident with your family what would you prefer to be sitting on , 55 litres of highly flammable unleaded fuel or much lower flammable diesel.

So there must be a lot of worried drivers in the world as approx 90% of all cars are fueled by that highly volatile stuff called petrol. A rather inane comment.

Diesel will burn if it gets a wick with a flame as well

[Kachingg]

So there must be a lot of worried drivers in the world as approx 90% of all cars are fueled by that highly volatile stuff called petrol. A rather inane comment.

Diesel will burn if it gets a wick with a flame as well



True but diesel has a much higher flashpoint than petrol

Petrol will give off vapors and ignite at a spark or small flame at temps as low as -40c!

Diesels flashpoint is +60c i could flick lighted matches into a open can of diesel all day and not ignite it could you do the same with petrol?

Also in regard to the petrol vs diesel debate i came down on diesel side the torque is awesome test drive both and see how you feel
also the 7 speed dsg is so much better than the 6 speed you get in the petrol version

[Hillbilly]

True but diesel has a much higher flashpoint than petrol

Petrol will give off vapors and ignite at a spark or small flame at temps as low as -40c!

Diesels flashpoint is +60c i could flick lighted matches into a open can of diesel all day and not ignite it could you do the same with petrol?

I know all that and i think you are scaremongering. If we all considered that none of us would buy petrol cars would we.

The worst car for that was a Ford Pinto and people even bought them. In fact I had one as a hire car in Vegas years ago. Had to change down when the aircon cut in Was a absolute POS

No wonder so many got rear ended they were too slow to get out of the way.

[Kachingg]

I know all that and i think you are scaremongering. If we all considered that none of us would buy petrol cars would we.

No not scaremongering just setting out the facts of the matter

Tbh if your in a crash that is violent enough to rupture the fuel tank in a modern car your probably already dead so its rather a moot point

[ope126]

True but diesel has a much higher flashpoint than petrol

Petrol will give off vapors and ignite at a spark or small flame at temps as low as -40c!

Diesels flashpoint is +60c i could flick lighted matches into a open can of diesel all day and not ignite it could you do the same with petrol?

Also in regard to the petrol vs diesel debate i came down on diesel side the torque is awesome test drive both and see how you feel
also the 7 speed dsg is so much better than the 6 speed you get in the petrol version

6spd DSG only in 140TDI Highline and 206TSI R-Line, the 7spd DSG is in the 132TSI / 132TSI Comfortline.

[Hillbilly]

No not scaremongering just setting out the facts of the matter

Tbh if your in a crash that is violent enough to rupture the fuel tank in a modern car your probably already dead so its rather a moot point
If we all worried about that no one would buy a petrol car would they.

Jeez you have more chance of getting killed as a pedestrian

[Kachingg]

6spd DSG only in 140TDI Highline and 206TSI R-Line, the 7spd DSG is in the 132TSI / 132TSI Comfortline.

Ah i see the passat does not get the new dq381 wet 7 speed shame as its a stonker of a gearbox

The box in the 132tsi will be the 7speed dry clutch dq200 and the 6 speed will be the dq250 wet clutch dsg before you make your mind up check the forums for issues with these boxs as the dry clutch 7 speed has had a lot of issues that are mainly fixed now but some still have issues

The dq250 is a wet clutch box and has been around for many years and unless abused/not serviced(oil and filter change ever 60k)is very robust the one in my old mark 6 highline diesel has 150k on it and still going strong in my daughters hands

Check out the alltrack thread as the 7.5 version has all the latest goodies as well as the 132tsi with a 6 speed wet dsg and 135tdi with the superb dq381 wet dsg also you get awd and off road capabilty it is really a superb car ( disclaimer: I own a 7.5 tdi alltrack and love it so my opinion may be a little one eyed :) )

Whatever you get i hope you enjoy it

good luck

[Rocket36]

I was so impressed with the MY18 140TDI, I just bought a Highline with R-Line pack and Luxury pack. Got a "demo" with 14 delivery km only. I.e. they registered it to be a demo, then I bought it. It's still parked in the showroom! lol I'm sure I'm not the first but it was nice to get a brand new car for a demo price. Got the finance rate down to 5.3% so $200 a fortnight with a $15,000 balloon after 5 years. Happy with that!

It's the metallic silver (can't remember the specific name) and gets a brand new battery before delivery as it's been a showroom car.

I was initially going to get the 206TSI R-Line, in fact I was hoping to get the new Volvo V90 but at over $110,000 on the road, it's just not justifiable. But instead have ended up with the 140TDI Highline. More torque in the diesel which I like. And we do over 120km a day. Half country, half city. Actually more like two thirds country, one third city. Better mileage is a bonus and for cruising you can't tell them apart. I have my motorcycle for my weekend fun and spirited jaunts.

Loving all the tech. I drove the new XC60 too and for the extra $30,000 you pretty much get a heads up display and that's it. Other than that, I think the VW Passat wagon wins - definitely on value for money. It's a mid size that feels like a larger car than it is from the inside. Enough room in the wagon's boot for both our Great Dane and the baby's pram! The reviews all say that Volvo's and VW's ACC, LKA, AEB are as good as each other and the best in the market at the moment. And the new MY18 centre console screen is absolutely amazing!

Getting the front windows tinted to match (as close as possible) the privacy glass, and having the rest of the glass UV clear "tinted" as privacy glass isn't UV protecting. Told them to include it in the price, and it is.

Annoyances? For the RHD market, If VW can move the start button from the left to the right, why not the other buttons on the left of the shifter? And to a lesser extent, why not the cupholders and park brake being swapped. Why no vented/cooled seats? Why no heads up display? (although with that gorgeous instrument console I think it makes a HUD redundant) And that front Euro plate mount! Euro plates are $700!!! (eeeek!). But I have seen the remove/plug holes option.

Picking it up Thursday arvo hopefully. Here's the pics from the Carsales ad.

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[ope126]

Looks great mate!!!

[Rocket36]

So I'm happy with it for sure! And the wife loves it... It's her new daily.

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But with the R-Line pack, the tailgate assist (using your foot to open the tailgate) is deleted. Which is sad. You'd think a fully loaded model was actually fully loaded.

The driver's seat convenience thing where it goes back to make getting out easier after you turn the car off doesn't ever return back to exactly the right position for the seat base tilt (all the way down at the back and all the way up at the front). Slight annoyance.

The Park Pilot is a bit hit and miss. Thinks a lot of perpendicular spots are parallel. Meh, we know how to park and the progressive steering is AWESOME so having the Park Pilot was always a bit of a gimmick.

Agree that the diesel is a bit of a slug but it's entirely due to turbo lag (and maybe because we're driving in Eco mode). It's got plenty of torque once the turbo kicks in and pushes you back into the seat. A small annoyance for the fuel savings gained (we do a lot of country km).

The long cruise is so beautiful. ACC is AWESOME. How did I live without that? And the lane keep assist - if only it lasted longer. Does anyone know how to get the ACC to start off again on its own from stop without pressing the RES button on the wheel?

Oh, is there a way to default the engine stopping when the car stops from being default. Have to turn it off every time we get in the car.

Can they start remotely to pre-cool or pre-heat the cabin? It seems to be a reasonably standard feature to be omitted. Even base model Commodores have had this for years!

And finally... Privacy glass... Is it as much protection as the film tinted glass I had put on the front doors? I've done a lot of searching and reading and seems that from what I have read, even side window glass in cars that's not tinted or privacy glass will provide protection. People have said the whole sun protection thing has become a marketing gimmick for the tinters. But what's the truth?

Cheers!

[zzc2010]

So I'm happy with it for sure! And the wife loves it... It's her new daily.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/01/IMG_3526-1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ytafhom4b/) http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/01/IMG_3525-1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/i5ixf647f/) http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/01/IMG_3527-1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/z61tnuoyj/)

But with the R-Line pack, the tailgate assist (using your foot to open the tailgate) is deleted. Which is sad. You'd think a fully loaded model was actually fully loaded.

The driver's seat convenience thing where it goes back to make getting out easier after you turn the car off doesn't ever return back to exactly the right position for the seat base tilt (all the way down at the back and all the way up at the front). Slight annoyance.

The Park Pilot is a bit hit and miss. Thinks a lot of perpendicular spots are parallel. Meh, we know how to park and the progressive steering is AWESOME so having the Park Pilot was always a bit of a gimmick.

Agree that the diesel is a bit of a slug but it's entirely due to turbo lag (and maybe because we're driving in Eco mode). It's got plenty of torque once the turbo kicks in and pushes you back into the seat. A small annoyance for the fuel savings gained (we do a lot of country km).

The long cruise is so beautiful. ACC is AWESOME. How did I live without that? And the lane keep assist - if only it lasted longer. Does anyone know how to get the ACC to start off again on its own from stop without pressing the RES button on the wheel?

Oh, is there a way to default the engine stopping when the car stops from being default. Have to turn it off every time we get in the car.

Can they start remotely to pre-cool or pre-heat the cabin? It seems to be a reasonably standard feature to be omitted. Even base model Commodores have had this for years!

And finally... Privacy glass... Is it as much protection as the film tinted glass I had put on the front doors? I've done a lot of searching and reading and seems that from what I have read, even side window glass in cars that's not tinted or privacy glass will provide protection. People have said the whole sun protection thing has become a marketing gimmick for the tinters. But what's the truth?

Cheers!

MY18 comes with 18'' RIMs now?

[Rocket36]

MY18 comes with 18'' RIMs now?

Mine are 18”. What should they be? Or what were they?

[zzc2010]

Mine are 18”. What should they be? Or what were they?

19” Verona

I used to think all high lines got 19”.


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[Rocket36]

19” Verona

I used to think all high lines got 19”.


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Maybe it’s a diesel thing? I can’t say for sure but I’m glad they’re not 19”. The ride would be waaaaay too firm based one what it’s like now. In fact at the moment I’m looking forward to a slight relaxing of the firmness as the car runs in.

[zzc2010]

Maybe it’s a diesel thing? I can’t say for sure but I’m glad they’re not 19”. The ride would be waaaaay too firm based one what it’s like now. In fact at the moment I’m looking forward to a slight relaxing of the firmness as the car runs in.

You are right. My 19”s are damn firm. The only good side is they looks fantastic.

Checked specs of MY 18, only 206 gets 19” now. 206 has ACC on it so 19” should not be a problem.

Good choice VW.


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[ope126]

19” Verona

I used to think all high lines got 19”.


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Not on the 140TDI Highline, they got 18" Dartford alloy wheels standard (and still do).

[ope126]

I was just looking at a VW brochure printed September 2016 (regarding MY17 models) and it states that the Monterey 18" alloy wheels are in conjunction with the optional R-Line package and only the 206TSI R-Line was standard with the 19" Verona alloy wheels.

Also, the optional R-Line package was only available with the 132TSI Comfortline and 140TDI Highline (both sedan and wagon variants).

But yes I am aware that the 19" Verona alloy wheels used to be on the optional R-Line Package...

[Bee8]

[QUOTE=Rocket36;1253561]So I'm happy with it for sure! And the wife loves it... It's her new daily.

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In regards to the Privacy Glass, I emailed Volkswagen and they have advised that it is 65% light absorbing and UV penetrability of less than 5%. Good enough for me so I just tinted the front windows.

[Rocket36]

[QUOTE=Rocket36;1253561]So I'm happy with it for sure! And the wife loves it... It's her new daily.

[url=https://postimg.org/image/ytafhom4b/][img]http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/01/IMG_3526

In regards to the Privacy Glass, I emailed Volkswagen and they have advised that it is 65% light absorbing and UV penetrability of less than 5%. Good enough for me so I just tinted the front windows.

Good to know. And I thought as much. I can't imagine doing privacy glass without protection from the sun built in. Thanks for this. And good enough for me too! :D