Purchasing R36 Wagon

[owen010101]

In the market for an R36 Wagon..

I'm looking for some advice on wether to go for a lower km 2008 MY08 with more options OR a 2009 MY09 with less options and slightly more km.

Your wisdom would be greatly appreciated

Thanks


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[prn31]

MY08s are prone to DSG issues and have the orange MFD. Probably a lot more of these around for sale.
MY09s onwards have the white MFD.
MY10 and MY10.5 are much rarer but have a choice of more options available. I understand they have the least issues too.

I'm biased, but if was me I would be keeping an eye out for an optioned MY10 - just like everyone else. And if it's Biscay Blue then you need to act fast as they don't last very long. I know this from experience... :-)

[owen010101]

Yes I gathered 2010 would be preferable and as you said more sought after by buyers.

So sticking to a budget and making some compromises would you still go later model with less options?


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[kamold]

What options do you want/not want?
Some can be easily retrofitted.

[prn31]

Yes I gathered 2010 would be preferable and as you said more sought after by buyers.

So sticking to a budget and making some compromises would you still go later model with less options?


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As Kamold said, some items are easily retrofitted - RNS510 Sat Nav and RVC. I did the later retrofit as due to a VWA bungle most MY10s didn't get the Reversing Camera. The Power Tailgate is useful but I don't think easily retrofitted.

Other options like Dynaudio and DCC are more difficult - but have been done. Kamold wants to retrofit Adaptive Cruise Control (a great feature but rare due to being expensive) which I think would be a lot of work....

[owen010101]

Yes I have been reading up on everyone's retrofits. Very entertaining.

Sat Nav, RVC and phone Bluetooth would be preferred options to have. The one I'm looking at has tailgate.

Not fussed on DCC. Would be nice though.

What's your opinion on sunroof? I think I could take it or leave it..

Also what would rough cost of nav, rvc and Bluetooth end up at?

Thanks for your help


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[kamold]

If the only options you are after are nav, and bluetooth they are the easiest retrofits to do - don't pass on a car just because it doesn't have these.

RVC is a little more involved but not that bad, just has cables to run from the back to the front of the car.

I don't have a sunroof and have only ever had 2 cars with them. Nice to have but for me a take it or leave it option.

If you're in Melbourne talk to VW Central for your retrofitting needs.

[prn31]

Yes I have been reading up on everyone's retrofits. Very entertaining.

Sat Nav, RVC and phone Bluetooth would be preferred options to have. The one I'm looking at has tailgate.

Not fussed on DCC. Would be nice though.

What's your opinion on sunroof? I think I could take it or leave it..

Also what would rough cost of nav, rvc and Bluetooth end up at?

Thanks for your help


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I forgot about Bluetooth - BT 9w7 is the OEM kit that you need.

For me a sunroof was a must have - I love it. On an R36 it is a pretty common option.

As kamold says VW Central in Melbourne are good - they advertise on this forum or you could try ebay, which is what I did for my RVC.

Talking of the RVC, this was a pretty tricky retrofit on my car - factor in 3-4 hours of labour if you get someone else to do it.

[owen010101]

Great info guys. Much appreciated.

So I've been out to see a few now and have had a couple RACV tested with not the best feedback.

If you were located in VIC I'd be interested to know which car you would spend your hard earned money on...


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[kamold]

Why limit your search to your home state?
Find the best car available and either have it shipped or catch a plane and drive it home.

[owen010101]

Yes I wouldn't limit to just VIC obviously have to consider time and extra costs..

But yer. If you had to choose one what would you recommend?


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[kamold]

Don't know what your priorities, colour preference or budget is.

I'd probably get this candy white one:
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Volkswagen-Passat-2010/SSE-AD-4454549/?Cr=1

Or this Biscay Blue:
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Volkswagen-Passat-2009/SSE-AD-4452089/?Cr=11

[owen010101]

Didn't really mind what colour. Preferably not silver. Preference would be to end up with a solid car that isn't going to be a big gamble. And my pockets aren't the deepest but prepared to spend what's necessary to avoid a bad purchase.

Went to see the white one. It looked like a family of chimpanzees had been living in it. Every thing was scratched, dented or broken. Electric functions not all working. No tailgate option. Needed a new windscreen for RWC. He also had another buyer who is purchasing it tonight.

I have also seen the blue one. The owner has an aftermarket exhaust and pod filter fitted. He is getting RWC and selling without mods on but will sell separately with sale. Could these mods potentially cause issues?


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[prn31]

If you have the luxury of time it is probably best to wait until the right car comes along - that may be interstate though and you may have to pay a bit more, but with these cars condition is paramount.

You may also want to check out a B7 V6 FSI Highline with the Sports Package on Carsales. There aren't many about but most would have Bluetooth, RNS510, RVC and Power Tailgate and DCC is standard. The Sports Package has lowered suspension, sports seats and steering wheel paddles.

A poor-mans R36, but you still get the stonking 220kW V6 engine in a newer car with less kms. I test drove one (without the Sports Package) when I was looking for my R36 and it was quite impressive.

[vagr36]

I wouldnt say 08 was more prone to dsg issues, like the majority of dsg's it can just be the luck of draw. Had my 08 for 4 years and have only ever had one single issue being autobootlid latch failing. Some cars can be gems and some are just lemons. I feel like the value of my 08 has just dropped significantly due to people giving negative info that they cant back up on.

[GLF118TSI]

Hi mate, I've just recently bought a Biscay Blue R36 from NSW as there are none during December 2016. For me, i'm very particular, it just had to be Biscay Blue and a wagon, so i've compromised a lot of options. I personally like the sunroof, but i've already got that on my B7 2.0 TDI (yes, i've got 2 passats...)

Looking through carsales again, i noticed this is still for sale:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Volkswagen-Passat-2008/OAG-AD-13399139/?Cr=22

If you haven't inspected this car, i strongly suggest you to, as i was very close to purchasing it. The car drove very well for an 08, it has the DSG recall done, and has pretty much all the options. Furthermore, they just fixed the rims from gutter rash and the collapsed driver side bolster. To me that's pretty much all the hard work done. Also that dealership service european cars, so you know they can deliver a complete car to you. The guy i dealt with was Luke (if i remember correctly).

On one last note, please entertain the idea of travelling to NSW for the right car. I've done that myself and got the car i wanted. Of course you will have to do the research of registering the car into VIC and the cost of doing so.
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/renew-update-or-cancel/register-an-interstate-vehicle

Good luck and let us know how you go.

[owen010101]

Nice work on traveling all the way to pick up what your Bicsay blue Wagon!

I have seen this one too. But the colour of the interior trim?

I discussed the traveling scenario with the mrs.. went better than expected actually. Will broaden search area and research into registration paperwork. Thanks for passing that on.

Any other suggestions or input would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps if anyone had any buying regrets or break-throughs...?


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[GLF118TSI]

The interior trim is probably a personal taste, however it's in great condition. I suppose the 1st owner specify it to offset the black colour, keeping it cooler?

As you have probably already know, NSW euro scene is quite big with plenty more options. I would suggest negotiate your buying price factoring flights and registration cost. Here's another helpful link for getting NSW rego refund:
Cancel your registration - Registration - Roads - Roads and Maritime Services (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/cancel.html)

Because you are buying a 2nd hand car, not being able to option the car to your liking is something to accept. So far i've no issues that i know of with my car, and i'm owning the R36 purely from the appreciation of the 3.6 litre. Although i would like more tech and creature comforts, but that's not what R36 is about IMO.

If you can wait, then do so, because the more time you look, the more time you learn about the car without investing any commitment.

[dvkent]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in to this discussion. You can be as careful as you like when purchasing a used car but that doesn't always guarantee a fault free purchase.
I spent several months looking for a cc last year. Main criteria was VW dealership service history (and had to be the 220kw V6!). After exhausting all options here in Queensland, then missing out on a couple in NSW, finally did the deal on one in Melbourne.
Car was pretty much as described by salesman so got in and made the trip back to the Gold Coast. (Was an awesome drive home).
Everything was going well then 4 months after purchase clutch pump in the Haldex failed leaving me $1100 out of pocket. I had even had a pre purchase inspection done by RACV.
I guess the point of my comment is...they are just a machine made of nuts and bolts and sometimes things go wrong.

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[tigger73]

Just have to remember that you're paying $20-25k, but are maintain a $65k 8 year old car.

Haldex pumps are not an uncommon item to fail. Problem is the pump and the controller are calibrated to each other so you need to replace the complete assembly.

With the km you're looking at you'll want to check the condition of the brakes, tyres and whether the 8year/120,000km major service has been completed including DSG, brake fluid and Haldex service. All of these standard maintenance items can add up to several thousand $ (capped price at VW for a 2011 V6 Passat is ~$1,650 for 60,000/120,000km). So that car that looked a bargain at $19k then doesn't look so much of a bargain when you've spent $3-4k on bringing all the maintenance items up to scratch.

Remember that services should be carried out every 15,000km or 12 months. Major services at 60,000km/4 years and 120,000km/8years.

And you have to realize that it's often these things that are the triggers to cause people to sell/trade up. I know it's a consideration with me as to how long I continue to keep a vehicle. I'll generally sell it before incurring major maintenance costs that are coming up in 6-12 months.

[Pussbak]

Been looking at a white one on carsales.

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Volkswagen-Passat-2009/SSE-AD-4448591

Looks like there have been 6 owners in as little as 8 years across 3 states. Also advertised with 4 months rego when in depth RMS rego check returns as unregistered so cant test drive it. Gonna give it this one a miss. The search continues.....sigh.




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[Passat R36]

Been looking at a white one on carsales.

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Volkswagen-Passat-2009/SSE-AD-4448591

Looks like there have been 6 owners in as little as 8 years across 3 states. Also advertised with 4 months rego when in depth RMS rego check returns as unregistered so cant test drive it. Gonna give it this one a miss. The search continues.....sigh.




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this one looks nice and tidy, apart from some paint needs touch up. the driver side bolster DOES hold really well after 6 owners, lol

[Pussbak]

Yes it certainly looks the part. Does make you wonder though..
Is there a sinister reason why a car would change that many hands in a short period of time. Major underlying problems perhaps?

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[Passat R36]

it has been sold, did you buy ？

[Pussbak]

it has been sold, did you buy ？
No. I let this one go through to the keeper.
Had too many little things that bugged me.
Black Front number plate bracket which attaches to the bumoer was missing.
Holes drilled into the tailgate for larger style number plates.
A few other missing body parts amongst others.
Dont want to go on about it incase the new owner reads this thread.
If he is i hope it treats him well, the paint looks awesome.

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[Passat R36]

Fair enough.

Just FYI, many owners do the front number plate holder delete for a tidy and clean looking, shouldn't worry about that. Good luck!

[Pussbak]

Fair enough.

Just FYI, many owners do the front number plate holder delete for a tidy and clean looking, shouldn't worry about that. Good luck!
Mate thanks for the well wishes.
Yeah i get the front plate holder bit i proabably would do the same its the back tailgate that would get to be every time i walk up to it.

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[owen010101]

Ok so finally.....

I purchased my R36 Wagon! [emoji51]
MY10.5
80,000km
One owner
Full VW service history
Black
Sunroof
Reverse camera
Bluetooth

Gave it a bath and it came up quite nice. There's a couple of pics below.

Once again thanks for your help above. Looking forward to getting stuck into a few little jobs on it.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/01/149a7fc856d73c33cc27e1ffcd2d00ee-2.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/01/9a04ac73cd08979f491f3f1d447e11ac-2.jpg


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[tigger73]

Ok so finally.....

I purchased my R36 Wagon! [emoji51]
MY10.5
80,000km
One owner
Full VW service history
Black
Sunroof
Reverse camera
Bluetooth



Congratulations on the purchase. Hopefully it gives you years of driving pleasure.

Not sure what you ended up paying, however looks like you may have adjusted your target price to get the right car with the km/options.

What's the plans? Cut/polish and ceramic paint protection to remove all the fine swirls/scratches and bring back the shine? I've had a number of black cars and they're the worst for showing dirt and swirls in the paint.

[prn31]

Congratulations. It sounds like you've waited to find the right car. It looks good and those kms are low too.

So it has a RVC but no RNS510 - that's strange. If the RVC is a Highline version then it would be factory fitted otherwise likely to be retrofitted. Are you intending to retrofit the RNS510?

[owen010101]

Thanks. Yes waited a little longer and the budget got a little more stretched. I think what I paid was reasonable as it seems you get what you pay for.

Yer plans are to spend some time on polishing and protecting paint over the next couple of weekends. First black car I've owned so I'll see how it goes haha.

Will probably look to retrofit eventually as it would be nice, but not in a rush. Automatic tailgate would fall in the same category.

Any smaller mods you guys can recommend?


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[kamold]

Congrats looks like a great find!
There are a few enthusiasts on here in that have done some nice upgrades and retrofits so feel free to ask them.
I've got more to come with mine but will likely be a few months.

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[snerlo]

You don't necessarily need the RNS to have RVC. I retrofitted the RCD and the RVC at the same time and works fine.

[ZR36]

Looking through carsales again, i noticed this is still for sale:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Volkswagen-Passat-2008/OAG-AD-13399139/?Cr=22

If you haven't inspected this car, i strongly suggest you do.

23k! Wholly frk!! With real fake genuine RNS510.

[passat_r36]

I managed to find a MY10.5 with less than 45,000kms on the clock. It came with an RNS510 to which i wired up a reverse camera (as they never came with both due to an error at VW)
Has a sunroof, bluetooth and all the rest except electric tailgate which i've heard can be more of a pain with issues than it's worth (i haven't really looked that far into it)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/08/36738dabdb223e75e8ccebf832ae9c81-1.jpg

[Passat R36]

It's a 09 MY10, let's be honest. Check your Air Con control panel.

[passat_r36]

It's a 09 MY10, let's be honest. Check your Air Con control panel.

who are you talking to?

[Passat my07]

I think he's saying the 10.5 cars have the later climate control. The 10.5 cars are complied feb 2010 on and have an A in the vin instead of the 0.
Your car would be built/ complied 2009 wouldn't it? My2010?
I'm just using info I've read on this forum in the past. Could be wrong?

[passat_r36]

Mine is a MY10.5 as confirmed by the write up on this forum.
My vin is WVWZZZ3CZAE too making it a MY10.5 rather than the WVWZZZ3CZ9E that would mean MY10. A bit of research goes a long way.

[Passat my07]

If it's an A chassis I has to be a 10.5.
Does that mean they were complied before feb 2010?
When was yours built and complied?
The number plates look like 09 plates but I guess they could've been old stock at Vic roads? The slim plates are often old.

[passat_r36]

MY10 – Compliance October 2009 onwards, Chassis ID WVWZZZ3CZ9E######. Not a lot of difference to the MY09 – has the same Climatronics (referred to as Mk5), which had been on the R36 since the beginning (MY08.) You were able to select a lot more options such as ACC Adaptive Cruise Control ($2,000) Lane Change Assist ($1,000) DCC Adaptive Chassis Control ($1,650) and Dark tinted rear glass ($500). RVC Rear View Camera was a separately ordable option (on wagons only) with either RCD 510 or RNS510 ($700) and RNS510 was revised down to a $2,500 option. The Glove Box mounted CD Changer was no longer an option.

MY10.5 – Compliance February 2010 onwards, Chassis WVWZZZ3CZAE######. Differences with MY10 was the new Climatronics (Mk6), MDI was standard as was the Dark tinted rear window and side windows, 65% light absorbing.

A few interesting points to make. VW started producing the MY10.5 in November 2009, but didn’t start compliance until February 2010, so technically there are no 2009 MY10.5. Conversely it stands to reason that thereare no 2010 MY10 R36s, despite the fact that Carsales allows you to register a car for sale with those details.

[Passat my07]

I wonder why your car has the old style climatronics? It obviously doesn't follow the specs you've posted above. Is it an early build and still retains some of the previous model specs? That's why I was wondering when it was built/complied?
I think it makes the car more interesting if it's a very early 10.5.

[prn31]

I’m the author of the thread which lists the differences between the MY10 and MY10.5 versions of the R36. I think if the chassis number indicates it is an MY10.5 and it is a February 2010 compliance (even if built as early as November 2009) then it is a MY10.5. If it doesn’t meet those three criteria (chassis no, compliance and build date) then I think there is something amiss.

Being an Alfa Romeo tragic, I can remember a lot of cross pollination between early and late versions of the same model. If the Italian factory still had a few of the old parts (carburettors, electrical components, trim, you name it) still on the shelf, they often ended up in the first of the updated models or conversely new parts ended up in run-out models. It was a fascinating if head scratching scenario and typically Italian… :)

I also owned an early Ford Fairmont AUIII that was built with AUII trim in it, which wasn’t unusual, but I digress…

I would be very surprised if the clinical Germans would do something like that. As I said in my thread, VW Australia produced a new Passat brochure in February 2010 specifically for the MY10.5 model and if you study it then it confirms the new Climatronics and the now standard MDI and 65% window tint (for the R36 only.) It is not beyond the realms of possibility that Brendan’s Climatronics have been changed and apparently it isn’t hard to do – Kamold has gone from a Mk5 through to Mk6 and now to a MK7.

[Passat R36]

Free online rego check can tell you the Compliance plate date, ie. vicroads

[Passat R36]

and the "A" in the VIN means MY10 onwards, not just MY10.5

[kamold]

For what it's worth Elsawin lists the newer climatronics panel as being 'from November 2009'.
Not sure of the production week when they switched it over but as prn31 mentioned just because a model is designated MYXX doesn't necessarily mean that EVERY single production change is implemented in one fell swoop.
They still had the older climatronic panels in stock so they continued to use up the supply.

[passat_r36]

This has definitely been a good investigation and has sparked my curiosity. VW confirmed today when i booked in for its 50,000km service that the car is in fact MY10.5 (just) with a compliance of 10/2009.
As Kamold said they did mention that although not common, this is a well known practice at VW to not have all features right off the bat.
There you go [emoji23]


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[Passat R36]

Various inputs just made thing confusing, simply do a rego check online and that car has compliance date 10/2009, you say that's MY10.5?

[kamold]

Install the newer climatronics panel and then people will stop hassling you ;)

[passat_r36]

i actually like the panel that i have to be honest. the other panel with the blank buttons would eat me up inside hahaha already have problems with the blank buttons next to the dsg selector.


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[passat_r36]

Various inputs just made thing confusing, simply do a rego check online and that car has compliance date 10/2009, you say that's MY10.5?

referring back to above i thought i'd ask the professionals and they said the file they have on the VW system for my VIN states it's a 10.5 and the compliance confirms it was at time of change over.

I really don't care exactly what it is, i'm over the moon with my purchase of such a clean Passat R36 wagon with under 50,000kms but checking against all credible sources it seems it is in fact a 10.5

i'm out [emoji5]

[Passat R36]

Actually who cares. Enjoy your ride.

Just trying to clear up the misleading info on the forum. We all know so called VW Professionals are not that professional sometimes.

[prn31]

Install the newer climatronics panel and then people will stop hassling you ;)

Ha!!

Just checking my chassis number on one of the decoder websites:

WVWZZZ3CZAE1#####

The first three digits are the World Manufacturer Identifier (WMI)
WVW – Volkswagen Germany. (It is always Germany as the assembly plant has a separate identifier)

The next six digits are the Vehicle Descriptor Section (VDS)
ZZZ3CZ – the first three digits are only used in America so the default is Z as it the last (check) digit, also a Z. The important letters are 3C, which denotes Passat 6 and CC.

The next 8 digits are the Vehicle Identifier Section (VIS)
AE1#####
The first digit is Model Year: 2008 – 8, 2009 – 9, 2010 – A. (2017 is H.)
The next digit is the assembly plant. E = Emden, Germany
The new six digits are the production number.

Thus if it is an “A” it is a 2010 model, which officially started production in November 2009 but as Brendan advised, it appears a few snuck out in October 2009 with the old Climatronics. I presume that it still has an Australian Compliance of February 2010?

[passat_r36]

I skipped the Build 10 climate controls and went to B7 controls and fascia in the end [emoji5] thanks to Kamold for the help. No row of blank buttons and a more modern look [emoji1362]
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/08/863152ec70c37909471d74bd9e03c60b-1.jpg

[kamold]

Now you can call it an MY11 and everyone can leave you alone ;)

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[passat_r36]

[emoji23]


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[prn31]

Now you can call it an MY11 and everyone can leave you alone ;)

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Ha! Of course the Mk5 Climatronics ran on into the B7 until MY12.5, but I'm splitting hairs.... :rolleyes:

I don't mind the row of blank buttons. Guess I'm more used to the Mk5 Climatronics then the Mk6 in my wife's Mk7 Golf.

[kamold]

You mean mk6 went to MY12.5?
Don't think I've ever seen a B7 with Mk5 style climatronics.
They changed over the Mk5 to Mk6 in November 2009.

[prn31]

You mean mk6 went to MY12.5?
Don't think I've ever seen a B7 with Mk5 style climatronics.
They changed over the Mk5 to Mk6 in November 2009.

I'm getting my marks mixed up! So my R36 has Mk6 Climatronics and our Golf has Mk7 Climatronics as does Kamold's and Brendan's R36s.

B7 Passats had Mk6 Ciimatronics until MY12.5 and Mk7 Climatronics ever since.

As an aside, I've never seen Climatronics referred to as Mk5, Mk6 or Mk7 anywhere else on the net but on this forum....

[kamold]

It's generally referred to that way everywhere online
Eg
VWVortex.com - OEM MKVI Climatronic on a MKV on a RNS-510 Screen installed. (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?t=4938269)

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[passat_r36]

tbh that's the only way i've heard them explained. Well, the simplest way anyway.

[ajcat1969]

I wouldnt say 08 was more prone to dsg issues, like the majority of dsg's it can just be the luck of draw. Had my 08 for 4 years and have only ever had one single issue being autobootlid latch failing. Some cars can be gems and some are just lemons. I feel like the value of my 08 has just dropped significantly due to people giving negative info that they cant back up on.I know months have passed, but my 2008 r36 has been amazing. Nearly no issues, i had the air con fixed no big issue and fuel gauge not working fixed. Otherwise the car has been faultless. Its my daily drive 9years old with 140k klms on the clock and is a pleasure to drive. I have owned it from new and sevice it on time. (Might help)

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[Noof23]

[QUOTE=owen010101;1213377]In the market for an R36 Wagon..

Hi guys,

I am looking at purchasing a MY10.5 R36 wagon in Biscay Blue with 224xxxkm on the clock. Are these kms way too high or should I go for it? The price is reflective of the high kms as well.

Noof

[prn31]

[QUOTE=owen010101;1213377]In the market for an R36 Wagon..

Hi guys,

I am looking at purchasing a MY10.5 R36 wagon in Biscay Blue with 224xxxkm on the clock. Are these kms way too high or should I go for it? The price is reflective of the high kms as well.

Noof

It's a lot of kms on a MY10.5 - probably a lot of country driving. You need to know what service items have been replaced - DSG clutch and timing chain? Get it inspected by an independent specialist and if they give it the green light and you go ahead with the purchase then pay for the dealer's 12 month warranty as you may need it....

[passat_r36]

+1 for the above. good advice [emoji1360]

[Noof23]

[QUOTE=Noof23;1239647]

It's a lot of kms on a MY10.5 - probably a lot of country driving. You need to know what service items have been replaced - DSG clutch and timing chain? Get it inspected by an independent specialist and if they give it the green light and you go ahead with the purchase then pay for the dealer's 12 month warranty as you may need it....


Awesome thanks for the advice. I had it checked out by RACQ and was given the green light!

I have purchased and am the brand new owner of an R36! Looks like I have a lot of reading to do... There is so much to learn.

[passat_r36]

post it up! let's see [emoji5] congrats man [emoji1360]

[Noof23]

post it up! let's see [emoji5] congrats man [emoji1360]

Hey Brendan, apologies for the late reply!

I must turn on notifications!

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