Do anyone still change the oil after the first 1000km on a new diesel?

[Bryn23]

Just thinking out loud,

Does anyone still change the oil out in after the first 1000km on a new engine anymore?

From what i gather, VW doesn't run mineral break-in oil, just 507.00 oil. (i may be wrong on this)

Wouldn't it make sense to drop the oil at 1000km, throw in a new filter and new 507 oil?

Waiting until the fixed service, on original oil, whether 7500km to 15000km doesn't seem like a good practice.

I noticed Craig's heads up about the Castrol Edge 507.00 oil on sale at Supercheap Auto on his thread and at $56 for 5 litres, it seems like a no brainer.

[Guest001]

No we follow VW's recommendation and use APPROVED full synthetic oil only

The $56 one in the unusual shaped bottle is the correct one

[Bryn23]

No we follow VW's recommendation and use APPROVED full synthetic oil only

This oil is VW Approved 507.00 Oil Hillbilly, i did look at the rear of it to see the oil codes.

The question is if anyone still does the 1000km oil change anymore?

[Bryn23]

This is the oil i was talking about....

Castrol Edge Diesel DPF Engine Oil - 5W-30, 5 Litre - Supercheap Auto (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Castrol-Edge-Diesel-DPF-Engine-Oil-5W-30-5-Litre/359325?menuFrom=1021653)

[Umai Naa!!]

Yeah that one's fine.

Honestly, I don't think there's anything to gain from dropping the oil so soon, otherwise it'd be part of the service schedule to protect the warranty, etc. As it stands with VW, they don't recommend a premature oil change anyway, especially if there's an oil consumption issue.

15,000kms or 12 months, is what they say.

Off the record, the 504/507-approved oils are supposedly good for 30,000km intervals, but I wouldn't take that chance under warranty.

[Guest001]

This is the oil i was talking about....

Castrol Edge Diesel DPF Engine Oil - 5W-30, 5 Litre - Supercheap Auto (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Castrol-Edge-Diesel-DPF-Engine-Oil-5W-30-5-Litre/359325?menuFrom=1021653)


Thats the one i was talking about Its the only one for $56

[Bryn23]

I've changed oil my Honda outboards,, tractors, Can am Commander and Subaru's, its really not that hard to work out what grade, regardless if it engine oil, trans oil, diff oil. the oil code requirement is all there in the owner manual.

Same goes for using the correct grade grease, but that normally in the service manual.

15000km is a long time to drop oils, a premature oil change shouldn't be an issue if it not using a break in oil?

As for Oil Consumption issue, id like to think that that is a rare occurrence on a new engine...

I've always found, dropping the oils, diff oil makes a huge difference, well the diff normally sounds smoother with a better oil.

I've normally dropped the engine oil at 1000km, as there is normally crap still left in the engine (but this is in Gas engines), i'd rather that stuck in the filter and changed out than spending another 14000km of forcing oil through a filter with small metal shavings.

But if it isn't worth it in these new Diesel engines, then i might not do it...

Have you cut open a filter and looked at the oil in a new VW diesel after the 15km service???

[Guest001]

Its your vehicle you can do whatever you feel you should. Most of us follow what VW recommend.

I have owned 42 cars in my life and always followed the makers instructions. Only one fried a motor and that was not the oils fault.
Have serviced cars, light trucks, chainsaws, several petrol and diesel tractors, 4 different outboards, Lister diesel generators and a Hamilton V8 jetboat that had a habit of dropping valve seats and tappet tensioning nuts regularly.

[Bryn23]

I should also point out, the plan is to run it in 1000km in the first week with a leisurely drive though the mountains, well the little back hills of Brisbane, Scenic Rim, Buyna Mountains then through Mount Mee avoiding highways to keep the speed and load on the engine variable and below 3000 rpm

I don't believe sitting at 100km on a highway the best way to run in an engine:facepalm: but people do it.

Then in to the shed for a hopefully three month Campervan build and then a 8000-10000km trip out to Ayes Rock (Uluru) via South Australia and back via The East Coast starting in June.

[Bryn23]

Its your vehicle you can do whatever you feel you should. Most of us follow what VW recommend.

I have owned 42 cars in my life and always followed the makers instructions. Only one fried a motor and that was not the oils fault.
Have serviced cars, light trucks, chainsaws, several petrol and diesel tractors, 4 different outboards, Lister diesel generators and a Hamilton V8 jetboat that had a habit of dropping valve seats and tappet tensioning nuts regularly.

Chainsaw's, i had this Stihl, its was like an old car, had a certain start up, worked every time, but if you followed the manual, it would flood it self. best chainsaw i ever owned.

I'm wondering if VW have a run in oil additive in the oil, that might explain why VW don't drop the oil... ill have to check on this, as this may be why VW don't recommend as Umai pointed out..

I normally buy the service manuals when i buy a car, bike, as has all the info needed to re-torque bits and pieces... i do what they recommend...just as using the oils spec'd for the engine.

Its just hard getting around in my head, having oil with potential swarf in there until the first service.

properly overthinking it, it's just a habit to change over at 1000km.

[Markee]

Bryn you're not over thinking it as it does make sense. The choice is yours really and how much is it gonna hurt? It's not like VW are going to analyse the oil at the first service, it's just gonna go in the bin! Do it if it makes you feel more confident.
I'm going to be doing mine between factory recommended services due to the issue with my model and the EGR breaking down internally and allowing aluminium particles to score the bores causing excessive oil usage. I'll be getting the oil tested and monitoring the usage if any, hopefully not.

[Bryn23]

Cheers, Markee

I does make sense from my prospective, I do plan on keeping this van for a while.

The key is finding out if the initial oil has a run in additive. i'll hit the service department up in the new year as this could be the defining answer.

I don't really believe VW, has the customers best interest art heart, they make a heap of coin from parts, and once the warranty is over they are looking at making more money.

Some of the prices and discussions on this forum point to VW making a lot of money from charging replacement parts for parts that have known issues.

[Markee]

Yes mate I'm just going thru the process of buying parts from OS to update what is a known problem, VW AUS want $400+ for some vacuum hoses that I can get for half the price elsewhere. It's ridiculous but it's the price you have to pay with out of warranty vehicles like these unfortunately.

Keep us posted re the type of oil.

[Guest001]

As far as I could find out it doesnt. Its just plain 504/507 Castrol Professional III or maybe in a petrol it will be 502.505..

I run both of mine on the 504/507.

No one on here has ever mentioned run in oil in a VW that I can remember

All car dealers are similar I can remember when an EH Holden was less than $2500 and if bought in individual parts was something like

$14,000.

If you want to do it, do it you seem to be hell bent on doing so.

I asked when I bought mine about a 1500k change and they said No VW say first change at 12 months or 15,000k so thats what i did and have had no problems

[Sunny43.5]

[QUOTE=Bryn23;1211590]I should also point out, the plan is to run it in 1000km in the first week with a leisurely drive though the mountains, well the little back hills of Brisbane, Scenic Rim, Buyna Mountains then through Mount Mee avoiding highways to keep the speed and load on the engine variable and below 3000 rpm

I don't believe sitting at 100km on a highway the best way to run in an engine:facepalm: but people do it.

Not sure which way you traversed the road up to Mt Mee and beyond but it does note quite qualify as "little " that's quite a good climb from Dayboro with lots of twisty uphill climbs . As for the highway speeds this time of year around Brissy you would be hard pressed to sit on any fixed speed for too long traffic / speed cameras etc will guarantee the traffic will be up and down all over the shop .

[Robjohns2424]

Hi All, Hope you had a Merry Christmas.
Just a quick question re: the Supercheap Castrol 504/507 oil on special.
Is there a "shelf life" regarding un-opened oils?
Considering purchasing a few 5lt containers.
Thanks

[Bryn23]

Hi All, Hope you had a Merry Christmas.
Just a quick question re: the Supercheap Castrol 504/507 oil on special.
Is there a "shelf life" regarding un-opened oils?
Considering purchasing a few 5lt containers.
Thanks

As far as i know, oil doesn't go off if unopened. if you had it lying around for 5 years, then maybe it could turn, but it is oil and it shouldn't.

[Guest001]

Someone said 2 years a while ago Will be on special again well before then

[Bryn23]

[QUOTE=Bryn23;1211590]I should also point out, the plan is to run it in 1000km in the first week with a leisurely drive though the mountains, well the little back hills of Brisbane, Scenic Rim, Buyna Mountains then through Mount Mee avoiding highways to keep the speed and load on the engine variable and below 3000 rpm

I don't believe sitting at 100km on a highway the best way to run in an engine:facepalm: but people do it.

Not sure which way you traversed the road up to Mt Mee and beyond but it does note quite qualify as "little " that's quite a good climb from Dayboro with lots of twisty uphill climbs . As for the highway speeds this time of year around Brissy you would be hard pressed to sit on any fixed speed for too long traffic / speed cameras etc will guarantee the traffic will be up and down all over the shop .

The hills we have here are nothing compared to ones i have driven in NZ and Europe...Mt Mee is a little bump compared to what i class as a mountain:) i lived up that way when i was young, know the road pretty well. The Hills around here will give the engine a good workout, plus they are more enjoyable than on the highway.

The road to Mt Glorious from Samford is a nice little climb, i'm surprise how little use Mt Glorious get, but QLD seems to be a beach first culture first before forest.

You right about the traffic at the moment, took over 3 hrs from the CBD to Coolum on Xmas day....stop start the most of the way

[HPRS230]

Re 1000km oil drop.
I've got a petrol RS.

I requested this in the contract when I bought our RS.

The reply was "can do that, never done before."

Also requested a cylinder compression test and a full wheel alignment.
Same reply as as above. ie never done before.

Car goes for its oil drop tomorrow in fact. I will try to get them to kept the oil/filter to have a look.

My background tells me this is the right action and I am happy to have it done.

Re run in:
I bought Skoda 100km from home, so I was 2nd and 3rd gear runs down the motorway (80% throttle) and taking every off ramp. That was the first 100, then flogged it till 1000km. And I'm just back from a mountain run. Now at 1300 ish and service tomorrow.

My 2 cents anyhow.

Skoda RS 230
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f149/sg-tp-ab-rs230-timeline-116202.html

[Bryn23]

Hey HPRS230.

Never heard of getting a compression test that early, but at least you will have a baseline for your engine and it could be handy if you have an issue.

If you can see the oil, it'll be interesting what comes up with a magnet.

[HPRS230]

Yea compression test is to track the engine. 208/209 psi with 0km so interested to know what it will be tomorrow.

Yea I have a motorsport background, so compression tests are a good way to track a motor.

Skoda RS 230
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f149/sg-tp-ab-rs230-timeline-116202.html

[HPRS230]

They said they will keep the filter, so will hack that open later.

Also said engines are run in from factory, the service guy looked at the paperwork funny when he seen 1000km oil & filter...

Will report back once I get the car. Currently enjoying a beer on the beach :)

Skoda RS 230
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f149/sg-tp-ab-rs230-timeline-116202.html

[HPRS230]

Hey Guys
Check out the the photos on my Timeline of the oil filter at 1500km.
Post #30.

[Umai Naa!!]

Filter looks like it's doing its job.

I'd be surprised to see that amount of contaminant at the next filter change.

[Bryn23]

Good to see the filter picking up the loose swarf,

Shame you didn't get to see the oil, would have loved to see what sticks to a magnet.

In theory, there should be no crap in the next oil change.

Enjoy your new ride.

[Monty1951]

Most things that used to be required for the initial 1500 k service are no longer necessary. Engines are much better built these days. For the MY17 Tiguan it was just an inspection. It was worthwhile as they washed it and vacuumed the interior!

[Sunny43.5]

Engines are much better built these days. Hmm not too sure about that one , when we picked up our new van they gave us some song and dance routine about how efficient their "Pitstop " service was , we were told to watch the oil level and if it required topping up between service intervals just pop in for a top up . Now if engines are built better these days why do they set up a service to fill oil between service schedules . Back in the old days some consumption was the norm during the run in period , but after the first few thou it was supposed to be all good from then ..

[Transporter]

I does make sense from my prospective, I do plan on keeping this van for a while.

The key is finding out if the initial oil has a run in additive. i'll hit the service department up in the new year as this could be the defining answer.

I don't really believe VW, has the customers best interest art heart,

Agree, I change the first oil at around 1,500km and then before Summer and before wintertime. Those all smart people on the internet just don't have enough evidence to support that abolishing the first oil change is ideal for everyone driving conditions.

If, the manufacturer was always right then, there would be no recalls and no goodwill repairs on engines or anything.

Just remember the lifetime oil fills in the transmissions and how many car owners had to spend $10,000 + long after the warranty had expired.

[Bryn23]

Well i got around to getting the first oil change today at 1900km, was suppose to do it between 1000-1500km but couldn't find the time.

Dropped it off at the VW dealer, as i had to be in that area anyway and i don't have the time at the moment to do it myself.

It was surprising cheap for oil and a new filter, $170.. (well when they whack you for $500 for a service, it is) the service guy couldn't get his head around changing the oil as he said they get 400,000km on these engines.....id like to see the failure rate

I then said, ok whats thew price of a new engine, he replied about $13k, so i said, removing the initial swarf and other crap will only cost $170.

is it really worth not doing it?

He told me, that VW run in the engines at the factory, I find it hard to believe, imagine the cost of setting up each engine with new oil, run in for certain amount of time and then inspect and drain, then new oil upon installation.

Anyhow, I sent off a sample of the original oil to be analysed, so i'll have a base line for the next sample before the next change.

[Sunny43.5]

Aren't you overthinking this a bit , oil testing etc failures are going to happen for a variety of reasons and oil would probably not be the cause , I had two engines changed by my Ford dealer before my VW days both of them in two vehicles bought years apart were a result of manufacturing faults . How long are you going to keep this one for ? My current work T5 van has clicked over the 306000 km mark and 12 years for a pissy little 2.0 petrol model , I will admit here that it,s oil level gets low from time to time but only a fool would expect similar oil consumption from when it was new . At times when I have heard the first start with a slight rattly sound {indication it needs a top up } I have some times grabbed a container of oil laying around to top it up with which obviously does not have the same numbers VW recommend . The old girl is still going strong despite my sometimes negligent ways HA HA , don't ask about the clutch though a whole new chapter there . Ok some will say well if it had blown up you would only had yourself to blame , well even our other van now sold has 200000 kays on the clock and it has over $18000 worth of repairs required over ten years leaking turbo failed air con compressor failed transmission due to manufacturing fault and design failed intercooler connector due to faulty design so it goes on and on . Car makers aren't yet perfect .

[Bryn23]

Sunny i do overthink things, but i do plan on keeping this van for a while and its small money to have clean oil after the first 1000-2000km.

As for a the oil test, I've seen enough info to see that the CFA bi turbo engine has a few issues, My engine has the modified parts, whether this works or not is to be seen.

But having oil test records can pick up is something is not right, hopefully before failure, and also its written technical record of the elements within the oil, if i ever have to go down the path of good will after warranty.

With most things, preventive measures often reduce more $$$ issues in the future.

Having said that, the engine is just one component, I've seen the issues you have had with your transmission and other bits.

Car makers will never be perfect, we expect to much out of corporations that only care about the bottom line.

[Transporter]

I also change the first oil in transmissions and diffs at 15,000km-20,000km. Very cheap insurance indeed.

[Bryn23]

I also change the first oil in transmissions and diffs at 15,000km-20,000km. Very cheap insurance indeed.

I was looking at doing that as well, as oil is cheap insurance.

I did that with my Can Am Commander SxS motorbike, and the crap that was in the diff oil change was not good, heaps of swarf, i changed it out at 10 hours for initial run in, same with transmission.

Plus after changing to better oils, the noise reduction in the diffs and the smoother transmission change was an added benefit.

[Bryn23]

If anyone needs oil.

I noticed yesterday, that Supercheap Auto have Castrol Edge 5w-30 5 Litre that conforms to VW 507.00 on sale

[LogicprObe]

Last time I tried to buy any 507 spec at Supercheap, Nulon was the only one in stock.
All others were order in.
After that, I just get the Nulon in 20lt drums from my local bloke.
Works out at half the price of buying in 5 lt bottles.

[Bryn23]

Last time I tried to buy any 507 spec at Supercheap, Nulon was the only one in stock.
All others were order in.
After that, I just get the Nulon in 20lt drums from my local bloke.
Works out at half the price of buying in 5 lt bottles.


That 20 ltr drum works out well, it might depend on where the Supercheap is, they had at least 8 tubs of the Castrol when i was in there looking for paint.

i always find with almost everything, if i need it, it isn't on the shelf and when i don't need it there is heaps:mad:

[Transporter]

Just keep in mind that even synthetic engine oil has its use by date and it's NOT from the moment you've bought it.

[Kachingg]

Hi guys

I am getting a new diesel alltrack in a month i have a specialist vw mechanic that looks after my familys vw's (5 in family total 4 golf's 1 polo) rang him yesterday and from what he has heard he recomended not changing oil till 15,000km (passing up a easy service charge for him to!) will be getting my new car done by him from new so will take his advice

[aSimpleLife]

...i have a specialist vw mechanic...
Out of curiosity, is that Boris?
If so, he put me back onto 15,000km services when I moved to him...my local mechanic had me down to 10,000km.
After a comment somewhere here from Transporter (I think) about "...Shortening today's long service intervals..." I asked Boris if I should have an extra oil (and filter?) change at say 7,500km...he thought I'd be wasting my money. His philosophy seems to be very much to go by the VW book.
I'm still thinking about doing it anyway.

[Umai Naa!!]

+1 to sticking to the book.

A lot of places say to service it more often. They aren't always interested in the longevity of your engine ;)

[aSimpleLife]

Thanks for the feedback. I always find it very helpful when those more experienced than myself are prepared to offer their input.

There certainly seems to be polar opposite views on this point though....even here.
I understand the comment about non VW specialists.
But I also find it difficult to "trust" VW to be concerned about the life of my engine - they seem to be impervious to any reputation damage regarding the reliability and ongoing cost of their very nice vehicles - it's almost as if they have done a cost benefit analysis and decided it's far more profitable make money on the parts and faster vehicle turnover - and having now climbed to number 1 in the world it would seem they have a point :)
It's also not so easy for the average punter to measure that reliability and ongoing cost.

In the end I probably will stick to 15k oil changes - mostly because I can't be bothered with the extra effort - and it's not exactly cheap...then I'll whinge my **** off when the engine blows :)

[Kachingg]

Out of curiosity, is that Boris?
If so, he put me back onto 15,000km services when I moved to him...my local mechanic had me down to 10,000km.
After a comment somewhere here from Transporter (I think) about "...Shortening today's long service intervals..." I asked Boris if I should have an extra oil (and filter?) change at say 7,500km...he thought I'd be wasting my money. His philosophy seems to be very much to go by the VW book.
I'm still thinking about doing it anyway.

No it's not i use Dandy Volks in Dandenong of course lol
Max is a good no nonsense mechanic does a good job and does not bull**** you or do unnecessary work
As for the 7.5k oil change i asked max his opinion is a waste of money the oil in motor should be good for 30k(they run it for 30k in the vans)so even 15k is not stressing it 7.5k is just a waste of money and your time

[weonarok]

Our Golf does the usual 'car' driving which includes the bride's daily drive to work to the occasional road trip, so since new its been on the 15k drip.

However, my Amarok's driving style varies from my daily driver to working its guts out pulling a camper trailer across the Simpson and Fraser etc, so I adjust my oil changes accordingly from the normal 15k down to every 10k if its been doing it hard in hot weather, which is basically what a manual will tell you anyway.

In other words, horses for courses.


"You don't know what you don't know"

Cheers dave

[Bryn23]

Hi guys

I am getting a new diesel alltrack in a month i have a specialist vw mechanic that looks after my familys vw's (5 in family total 4 golf's 1 polo) rang him yesterday and from what he has heard he recomended not changing oil till 15,000km (passing up a easy service charge for him to!) will be getting my new car done by him from new so will take his advice

have no issue with doing 15,000km on the oil if it is easy highway km, but i started there thread regarding the first oil change after 1000km like we use to do.

I've heard that these newer engines are more refined, that may be the case, but there is still often swarf and other crap in the oil from run it, VW also confirmed to me that the oil in from factory isn't a run in oil.

I've see it with my own eyes, on other new engines in the last 12 years (Subaru WRX and Liberty GT, Toyota Hilux SR5, Honda CRV, Can Am SxS and a Honda Outboard)

it only cost me $170 for new oil and filter from the VW dealership, as i didn't have time to do it myself. VW don't care how long the engine lasts, as long as it doesn't stuff up under the 3 year warranty, they are happy.

I did check to make sure they changed the oil, i also took a sample of the oil before changing it for my engine history.

oil is cheap, 13-15K on a new engine in 5-8 years time isn't as i plan on keeping this for a while as it will be a campervan.

Do what you feel is right for you.

[Sunny43.5]

I agree with Weonarok {Dave } driving situations would be a better indicator of when oil should be changed , the problem with ALL car makers today is that their testing is flawed for starters . The BS about driving cars for 3 weeks in the Nevada summer will never ever relate to real world driving , you only have to look at the debacle of the sealed for life autos . NO one is ever going to convince me that ANY oil / fluid will maintain its viscocity inside an engine or gearbox without some level of decay over time . The words of VW Australias famous head honcho speech to some motoring journos still rings in my head . He was questioned on why VW had recalled 65000 Golfs with DSG autos in Japan . No similar recall was offered for Australians and his answer was the best example of someone shooting themselves in both feet at the same time with one bullet . His answer to the journos "you have to realise Japan is different to Australia it has a hot climate with lots of stop start motoring " Oh dear he should have thought out that answer before opening his mouth , so hot climate not catered for by the testers proved that they don't bother to acknowledge that real world is very different . I know that when I am planning a long trip for work I will change the oil if its been a while since its last service .

[Bryn23]

I still can't believe VW though it was a good idea to have any kind of sealed unit with fluids in it:facepalm:

The must of kept the same engineers that though emissions cheating was a good idea:facepalm:

It does come down to driving conditions though, every car manual I've read has a comment about extreme conditions an the need to change earlier, eta

At also comes down to your beliefs and experiences, none are right or wrong, its your car, your money and your time.

I noticed the new ford mustangs have smart oil sensors, people are getting 3500-7000km before being told to get oil changed on the display.

I would imagine that some of these beauties get some sprited driving, which reduces the life of the oil.

[gldgti]

I still can't believe VW though it was a good idea to have any kind of sealed unit with fluids in it:facepalm:

The must of kept the same engineers that though emissions cheating was a good idea:facepalm:

It does come down to driving conditions though, every car manual I've read has a comment about extreme conditions an the need to change earlier, eta

At also comes down to your beliefs and experiences, none are right or wrong, its your car, your money and your time.

I noticed the new ford mustangs have smart oil sensors, people are getting 3500-7000km before being told to get oil changed on the display.

I would imagine that some of these beauties get some sprited driving, which reduces the life of the oil.

Just FYI on "sealed for life":
This originates from a tax that is levied on vehicles produced in the EU based on the amount of servicing that is required over the product lifetime. By not scheduling a transmission fluid change in the vehicles standard service schedule, a portion of the tax is not paid. This also accounts for the longer service intervals for engine oil.

Looking at ot from a corporate accountants perspective, its plain to see why you would do it - simple enough to say that no servicing is required for the warranty period of the vehicle. Even ZF reccommend to change the ATF in their automatics every 60,000miles, which is basically what the warranty period for a VAG group car is.

From their perspective, they dont care what happens after 100,000km.

People thinking all these problems have anything to do with engineers is plain wrong. Ultimately it comes down to the bottom line, and THAT is managed by the accountants...

[Sunny43.5]

Accountants fancy name for penny pinching bunch of *****its .

[Umai Naa!!]

"Sealed for life" does not mean it can't be serviced or maintained.

It means the manufacturer has not indicated a service interval for it.

As the old saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[Sunny43.5]

True Umai but as a non experienced person at the time of our problem auto we took the dealers word as gospel , it was only a few years later that VW told us that they could be serviced as they were supplied by VW some special tooling to do that very job . If the tooling had been available then we would probably not suffered the complete failure that followed . But then as it transpired the filter inside the box was blocked which lead to its demise . I always maintain VW knew it was a bad decision as we all know that in 2010 they fitted the DSG with a service interval of 60000km and the filter strangely found its way to the OUTSIDE of the box funny that . And like I pointed out earlier the GM of VW AU made that crazy statement about Japans climate while totally ignoring the fact that we also have stop start driving and we live in a HOT climate country . I have watched many documentaries on Japan and not once have I seen any deserts , their summer runs from June to August with average temps of 30c unlike what we experience here for 5 months or more depending on where you live .

[LogicprObe]

I always thought their service schedules for Australia were crap!
Most cars rarely go to 'dusty' environs.