PDA

View Full Version : 2018MY Arteon Discussion Thread



Pages : [1] 2

phaeton
16-12-2016, 08:47 PM
Introduction Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYCsHmovecw


First Drive in South Africa
2017 VW Arteon prototype review review | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/arteon/first-drives/2017-vw-arteon-prototype-review)
New Volkswagen Arteon prototype review | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/arteon/98047/new-volkswagen-arteon-prototype-review)

pologti18t
07-03-2017, 05:00 PM
Latest pics

28291

28292

28293

Eaglen00b
14-03-2017, 05:31 PM
Love the lines. Most definitely going to be a stunning looking vehicle and a head turner for sure.

But it comes down to whether or not you wanna lay down at least 70k++ bones down for a decently optioned model and take a huge gamble with resale and VAG dealer/customer service/support?

I can't even get rid of my 2013 CC with almost every factory option except sunroof as it is.... bloody dieselgate. Fantastic cars, great to drive but boy did I get burnt.

Vexed
21-03-2017, 08:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx720aM9YhI&app=desktop

If the price is right, this will be my next car :D

nermal
28-03-2017, 08:57 AM
IMHO - the Arteon is shaping up as a nice R36 replacement. Looks much more compelling than the R-line 206.

Hopefully, the premium price also comes with a performance boost over the 206. I'm still leaning toward waiting for a Tesla Model 3 with ludicrous mode - though (wishfully thinking) an Arteon with a dual-motor electric drive-train (and acceleration to match) would be very compelling.

Any ideas on sound, will Dynaudio be an option?

Mr_206
29-03-2017, 01:12 PM
We should find out details in the next couple of months.... will be in dealerships from Sept. I would say the Arteon would be fully loaded like the 206 Passat with sunroof and metalic as the only two options.

I have a 206 on order but may change to this if price is not too much more... awaiting a call once they know rough pricing...

Some more info here

2018 Volkswagen Arteon liftback unveiled (http://www.caradvice.com.au/529985/2018-volkswagen-arteon-liftback-unveiled/)

dinot81
29-03-2017, 02:07 PM
Reading the article about the Arteon in AutoBild.de from 9/3/17, it said that it was misssing something special, a must-have feature hinting about a new 3.0 VR6 (300kw) engine that VW is awaiting to be approved for production. With that, you could even see the return of proper Passat R in the future.

Sent from my HTC_PN071 using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
01-04-2017, 01:38 PM
So apart from (the option of getting) matrix LED headlights and the badge... why would anybody pay the premium for the A5 sportback?

I currently have a Golf R, and was seriously contemplating a facelift 2.0L A5 Sportback, but the Arteon changes everything for me. I may aswell get this.

Mr_206
04-04-2017, 09:38 AM
Also the fact that the A5 price would be alot more for similar performance (206kws!)

nermal
04-04-2017, 10:40 AM
Also the fact that the A5 price would be alot more for similar performance (206kws!)

I looked at Audi's recently and was quite disappointed.. High price, underwhelming performance - feels just like a VW on the inside. Not willing to pay $20K more for four rings and a little extra trim.

The A5 coupe looks good on the outside, but the performance is quite lame in most models. You have to pay ~$120K (plus options) for an S5 that can beat an R 206 (or R36 =P ).

ClassicAU
05-04-2017, 08:55 AM
a new 3.0 VR6 (300kw) engine that VW is awaiting to be approved for production.

More on this please! Any idea if it will be Naturally Aspirated, or going turbo like everything else these days?

Dutch77
05-04-2017, 09:07 AM
I seriously doubt there are any plans for a new vanilla V6 to be developed - the whole reason the current Passats are scoring the 206kW engine is because the old V6 no longer met emission requirements and they elected not to pursue further development of it (at a time when they had the cash to do so).

I understand there is talk of a hybrid V6 powertrain in the pipeline which presumably would also power things like VW Atlas in the USA but 100% it would be turbocharged. No manufacturer would be developing na sixes anymore for performance use.

Pricing on the Arteon will be critical, there is heavy talk of how they want it compared to the 4 series GC, which means it will likely be overpriced. This is a good looking VW, but the A5 sportback is a much better design and the interior kicks the Passat/Arteon out of the park. It's up to the individual if they're willing to pay that premium here - but plenty have lower down the rung R v S3.

dinot81
05-04-2017, 09:13 AM
More on this please! Any idea if it will be Naturally Aspirated, or going turbo like everything else these days?
For now its sit and wait. VW in China already offer the 3.0l VR6 with approx 175kw and this would be likely a turbo or twin-turbo if released. The engine would suit larger cars like Q7 and Touareg as well. Future will tell.

2015 Tiguan 130TDI R-Line, Pepper Grey, Panoramic Sunroof

dinot81
05-04-2017, 09:17 AM
I seriously doubt there are any plans for a new vanilla V6 to be developed - the whole reason the current Passats are scoring the 206kW engine is because the old V6 no longer met emission requirements and they elected not to pursue further development of it (at a time when they had the cash to do so).

I understand there is talk of a hybrid V6 powertrain in the pipeline which presumably would also power things like VW Atlas in the USA but 100% it would be turbocharged. No manufacturer would be developing na sixes anymore for performance use.

Pricing on the Arteon will be critical, there is heavy talk of how they want it compared to the 4 series GC, which means it will likely be overpriced. This is a good looking VW, but the A5 sportback is a much better design and the interior kicks the Passat/Arteon out of the park. It's up to the individual if they're willing to pay that premium here - but plenty have lower down the rung R v S3.
Arteon will be expensive as is because for our market the CC was only offered fully optioned and 2 top engine variants of each diesel and petrol. In europe, CC base models were much cheaper, had more range on engines and equipment levels. They didn't even have multifunction steering wheels and radios were the ones from base mk6. I personally would not even consider spending that kind of money on a VW because I can easily buy something from the prestige market with better quality. This is just my opinion.

2015 Tiguan 130TDI R-Line, Pepper Grey, Panoramic Sunroof

nermal
05-04-2017, 09:22 AM
Interesting article:

VW Arteon Coupe Would Make Enticing Alternative To An Audi A5 (http://www.carscoops.com/2017/04/vw-arteon-coupe-would-make-enticing.html)

Vexed
05-04-2017, 09:28 AM
Arteon will be expensive as is because for our market the CC was only offered fully optioned and 2 top engine variants of each diesel and petrol. In europe, CC base models were much cheaper, had more range on engines and equipment levels. They didn't even have multifunction steering wheels and radios were the ones from base mk6. I personally would not even consider spending that kind of money on a VW because I can easily buy something from the prestige market with better quality. This is just my opinion.

2015 Tiguan 130TDI R-Line, Pepper Grey, Panoramic Sunroof


I remember noticing that all Passat CCs that I have seen in europe had halogen headlights, and they looked so ugly... I thought to myself, I would've not bought mine without the bi-xenon headlights...

dinot81
05-04-2017, 02:49 PM
I remember noticing that all Passat CCs that I have seen in europe had halogen headlights, and they looked so ugly... I thought to myself, I would've not bought mine without the bi-xenon headlights...
It's because over there everything is optional, I'm surprised cars come with wheels lol.
In europe, for example the rear view cameras are optional on all models, they start from 400 euros and onwards. The new Tiguan, only available with Trailer Assist which will set you back at least 935 euros. If you order sat nav only, still pay extra for camera. Audi S8 Plus which starts from 146,000€, camera is 500€. Cars for Oz have higher equipment level, even our base models are much better equipped then overseas. But on the other side we miss out on some gadgets that are not offered at all to us. I think that unless VW offers more variants in terms of equipment levels, Arteon could end up like the CC with low sales figures or even stopped from being sold.

2015 Tiguan 130TDI R-Line, Pepper Grey, Panoramic Sunroof

nermal
19-04-2017, 04:49 PM
Looks like VW are planning four fully-electric models by 2020: Will VW pose the biggest threat to the Tesla Model 3? | Autoweek (http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/volkswagen-plans-four-new-evs-amid-electric-blitz)


"Industry analysts have speculated the fourth model may be a Passat-sized premium sedan to challenge the Tesla Model 3 and other newcomers."

- I really hope that the "Passat-sized premium sedan" is alluding to a (fast) fully-electric Arteon! ... it may be wise to hold off on the Tesla Model 3 plans for the time being =)

nermal
02-05-2017, 10:50 AM
Orders have opened in the French market, ranging from around $55K (EUR37,800) for the base variant to ~$83K (EUR57,420) for an R-Line Exclusive 280HP or ~$85K (EUR58.900) for an R-Line Exclusive BiTurbo Diesel 240HP.

No mention of an electric drive-train, yet =P


https://qtelegram.com/volkswagen-has-just-opened-the-orders-for-the-arteon-replacing-the-cc-the-5-door-sedan-with-the-coupe-lines-starts-from/4754

dinot81
02-05-2017, 09:12 PM
Orders have opened in the French market, ranging from around $55K (EUR37,800) for the base variant to ~$83K (EUR57,420) for an R-Line Exclusive 280HP or ~$85K (EUR58.900) for an R-Line Exclusive BiTurbo Diesel 240HP.

No mention of an electric drive-train, yet =P


https://qtelegram.com/volkswagen-has-just-opened-the-orders-for-the-arteon-replacing-the-cc-the-5-door-sedan-with-the-coupe-lines-starts-from/4754
German market kicks off from 39,625€ ($57,500) to 64,130€ ($93,080) for fully optioned 206TSI. Bi-Tdi adds another 2,250€ ($3,265) on top of 206TSI. If you live in the EU, it's worth buying your car from another EU country. Most are cheaper than Germany.

Sent from my HTC_PN071 using Tapatalk

Mr_206
11-05-2017, 05:11 PM
More on the safety tech!!

Volkswagen Arteon will pull over if you pass out or doze off (http://www.caradvice.com.au/549588/volkswagen-arteon-will-park-itself-on-side-of-road-if-driver-passes-out/)

Mr_206
24-05-2017, 11:09 AM
Aus Arteon specs coming through now!

2018 Volkswagen Arteon: Australian details confirmed (http://www.caradvice.com.au/552918/2018-volkswagen-arteon-australian-details-confirmed/?source=carousel&slot=0)

Demonoid
24-05-2017, 10:30 PM
I want, I want !!

nermal
25-05-2017, 01:44 PM
Looks like a really nice R36 replacement, same acceleration in a nicer design and with better fuel economy (assuming it'll be ~7L/100km)..

Though, 9 years later I'm itching for something a bit faster ...and electric (or PHEV at least). I think I'll personally hold out and wait to see if they release new engine options over the next year or so.

Mr_206
25-05-2017, 05:11 PM
Can't wait for mine... i should be first in the first shipment coming to Aus in Sept/Oct!

nermal
26-05-2017, 02:07 PM
Does anyone know if they'll be appearing in showrooms before the October launch?

- not sure how the whole new model release date thing works with VW..

Mr_206
28-05-2017, 07:34 PM
I've been told they will be arriving Sept, so thats when you will be able to see one

Mr T.
01-06-2017, 07:07 AM
Can't wait for mine... i should be first in the first shipment coming to Aus in Sept/Oct!

You've got pricing and options confirmed by a dealer?

Ozsko
01-06-2017, 12:48 PM
I wonder if it gets predicitive cruise control in Oz....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F-emib44H4

Mr_206
01-06-2017, 08:01 PM
You've got pricing and options confirmed by a dealer?

Not yet 100% confirmed but they seem to think about 10k more than passat with all options

Mr_206
01-06-2017, 08:16 PM
Looks like they are starting to hit the streets overseas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvA6kd5adA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J94TdUTJWNY

Mr T.
02-06-2017, 06:17 AM
Looks like they are starting to hit the streets overseas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvA6kd5adA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J94TdUTJWNY

Sounds really good too.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Mr_206
02-06-2017, 09:38 AM
V6 also being considered!


Volkswagen Arteon wagon, V6 options being considered (http://www.caradvice.com.au/556198/volkswagen-arteon-wagon-v6-options-being-considered/)

nermal
02-06-2017, 01:50 PM
V6 also being considered!


Volkswagen Arteon wagon, V6 options being considered (http://www.caradvice.com.au/556198/volkswagen-arteon-wagon-v6-options-being-considered/)


Sounds interesting - though it'll have to put out more than 206kW to be worth the extra weight/fuel consumption over the current 206kW turbo 4.

IMO - the V6 option would need to go faster than a Golf R at 4.6s (0-100 kph). A naturally-aspirated V6 may struggle to do that... but an electric variant shouldn't have too much trouble =P

Mr_206
02-06-2017, 07:35 PM
it would most likely be a new turbo 6 or the supercharged engine from the Audi S4 around 250/260kws would be my bet

nermal
06-06-2017, 11:56 AM
it would most likely be a new turbo 6 or the supercharged engine from the Audi S4 around 250/260kws would be my bet


Looks like it'll be a turbo 6 according to this review =)


"turbo V6 gas engine currently under development" - VW's new style maker | 2018 Volkswagen Arteon First Drive - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2017/06/05/2018-volkswagen-arteon-first-drive-review/)

dinot81
06-06-2017, 12:48 PM
Looks like it'll be a turbo 6 according to this review =)


"turbo V6 gas engine currently under development" - VW's new style maker | 2018 Volkswagen Arteon First Drive - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2017/06/05/2018-volkswagen-arteon-first-drive-review/)
VW has been working on a twin turbo VR6 from 2013 when it fitted the engine into the GTI Concept with 500HP (that would be around 367KW). There is talks about a 300KW version pending approval for production. But with new Euro 6c emissions law kicking in 2018 yet to hear more. Would be lot faster than 4.6 sec Golf R.

Sent from my HTC_PN071 using Tapatalk

Mr_206
06-06-2017, 01:55 PM
Reviews starting to come through!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJWz-tmJ03Q

Mr_206
13-06-2017, 05:45 PM
looks awesome lowered and bigger wheels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk3SoHUGV4 (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3D9nk3SoHUGV4&h=ATOySwoMYFwYi9oj9YeItCmp6W1J1wxcl7tP2L4cO3Uk_TMM 6GeCxqH9jmppz8E2pA2YI-RjmhEHtXorA3XazsMbYJFpZvj7S_i2rgbsnJAts4X5WCfufR7p JPIIL-oy9SH0x-VMCQ)

nermal
14-06-2017, 10:57 AM
looks awesome lowered and bigger wheels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk3SoHUGV4 (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3D9nk3SoHUGV4&h=ATOySwoMYFwYi9oj9YeItCmp6W1J1wxcl7tP2L4cO3Uk_TMM 6GeCxqH9jmppz8E2pA2YI-RjmhEHtXorA3XazsMbYJFpZvj7S_i2rgbsnJAts4X5WCfufR7p JPIIL-oy9SH0x-VMCQ)


Looks good!

I'm guessing that is CGI? don't think you'd be able to turn the wheels, with them being so jammed into the wheel-arch.

INSiGHT
16-06-2017, 08:35 AM
It really is a beautiful looking car :)

DreamensioN
26-06-2017, 10:38 AM
Anybody know if the sunroof in them will be a proper sunroof (ie. the internal roof is a 100% full block of the sun), or if it'll be like a moon roof (ie. the internal slider is a fabric that always lets some amount of light through)?

nermal
13-07-2017, 04:59 PM
Interesting article mentions that the upcoming (electric) ID AEROe may be something along the lines of an Arteon: Volkswagen working on sporty electric liftback – report (http://www.caradvice.com.au/565635/volkswagen-working-on-sporty-electric-liftback-report/)

An electric (performance) Arteon would be something I'd line up to put a deposit on.

prodigy_
18-07-2017, 09:23 PM
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/07/a5bb5d8b818e709760406bf144930355-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/07/acb04e857ffe2a6eee2215434a84f8cf-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/07/431fa427e72e5bb10e38d75f6f97e959-1.jpg

Stumbled across this. Someone has already installed airbags. The lowered, debadged and black combination looks super mean.
This was in Europe I believe.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
13-08-2017, 11:44 AM
This is old news and nothing we don't already know, but it's good to see it in pretty print.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Avpl_oeuadlDlt1io4D5YV2OVMisJA

Mr_206
13-08-2017, 09:11 PM
This is old news and nothing we don't already know, but it's good to see it in pretty print.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Avpl_oeuadlDlt1io4D5YV2OVMisJA

Link doesn't work!?

DreamensioN
14-08-2017, 08:32 PM
Seems to work for me? It's a public link...so should work for anybody.

Mr_206
15-08-2017, 10:30 AM
Working now!...

I've been told my order has been pushed out a month, hopefully arrive mid to late Nov

DreamensioN
15-08-2017, 08:50 PM
Working now!...

I've been told my order has been pushed out a month, hopefully arrive mid to late Nov

OH wow!.

I'm really considering this as my next car (and I need a new car this year). I need to see it in the flesh first though, and I'll really consider this vs the Superb Sportline Sedan.

I was all about VW until just a few weekends ago when my wife wanted to upgrade her Tiguan, and went for a Skoda Superb Wagon. It's just such good value for what you get. My last few cars I've bought with my heart (including the Golf R I currently drive). I just don't know if I do it again (buy the Arteon with my heart), or...really weigh it up and on paper at least...the Superb Sportline Sedan would be the one I'd buy with my head.

If the Arteon has a built in QI wireless charger for my phone, and not just 3 but "multicolour" ambient lighting - I'll probably lean towards it even at the premium price. But if it doesn't... gee that Skoda is looking good, especially with that 5yr warranty, and the integrated rear windows shades.

Vexed
15-08-2017, 10:48 PM
OH wow!.

I'm really considering this as my next car (and I need a new car this year). I need to see it in the flesh first though, and I'll really consider this vs the Superb Sportline Sedan.

I was all about VW until just a few weekends ago when my wife wanted to upgrade her Tiguan, and went for a Skoda Superb Wagon. It's just such good value for what you get. My last few cars I've bought with my heart (including the Golf R I currently drive). I just don't know if I do it again (buy the Arteon with my heart), or...really weigh it up and on paper at least...the Superb Sportline Sedan would be the one I'd buy with my head.

If the Arteon has a built in QI wireless charger for my phone, and not just 3 but "multicolour" ambient lighting - I'll probably lean towards it even at the premium price. But if it doesn't... gee that Skoda is looking good, especially with that 5yr warranty, and the integrated rear windows shades.That's exactly what I have done... I thought about the Arteon, my guess is it will cost $80K+ for a fully loaded one and extended factory warranty. I love the looks of Arteon, especially that owned a CC before... The Superb 206 ticked all the boxes, it presents an amazing value for money.
When my mates saw the car they were very impressed, they even thought Skoda is the brand sitting between VW and Audi lol

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Mr T.
16-08-2017, 05:23 AM
That's exactly what I have done... I thought about the Arteon, my guess is it will cost $80K+ for a fully loaded one and extended factory warranty. I love the looks of Arteon, especially that owned a CC before... The Superb 206 ticked all the boxes, it presents an amazing value for money.
When my mates saw the car they were very impressed, they even thought Skoda is the brand sitting between VW and Audi lol

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

I have considered both briefly but went with (heart) and pulled the trigger on a Golf R Wolfie... though if they delay it longer and there is no decent communication, and if the Genesis G70 makes it here before the end of the year I may go with my head. That is a big if.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Mr_206
17-08-2017, 11:28 AM
That's exactly what I have done... I thought about the Arteon, my guess is it will cost $80K+ for a fully loaded one and extended factory warranty.

Arteon fully loaded is around $74-75k with std 3 yr warranty. I told my dealer im not paying more than $70k. Its about $10k more than a 206 which i originally had on order.

Vexed
17-08-2017, 11:31 AM
Arteon fully loaded is around $74-75k with std 3 yr warranty. I told my dealer im not paying more than $70k. Its about $10k more than a 206 which i originally had on order.That's not too bad... Any idea how much it will cost to get extended factory warranty and a service contract maybe? I remember I was quoted $3500 for 2 years extended warranty for my CC.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
17-08-2017, 08:25 PM
Arteon fully loaded is around $74-75k with std 3 yr warranty. I told my dealer im not paying more than $70k. Its about $10k more than a 206 which i originally had on order.

Ah geez...see that's sooo borderline for me. Fully loaded Superb Sportline (5yr warranty) vs fully loaded Arteon (3yr warranty). I'd get the corporate discount on the Arteon which should knock it down to say about $67-$68k. But the same applies to the Skoda too, which would knock it into the mid $50's.

Yeah I can't make that call until I see the Areton in the flesh. If the Areton didn't exist, I'd be all over a Superb Sportline right now.

See one more thing that's tipping me towards the Areton though, is that just yesterday my wife put a deposit down and signed the paper work on a MY18 140 TDI Superb Wagon fully loaded. That's her upgrade from the Tiguan, and should arrive in November. And the *only* thing that's putting me off the Superb Sedan is... if I got one, we would literally have 2 Superbs. Which...I think is sort of silly. .....or is it?

Mr_206
22-08-2017, 11:37 AM
Ah geez...see that's sooo borderline for me. Fully loaded Superb Sportline (5yr warranty) vs fully loaded Arteon (3yr warranty). I'd get the corporate discount on the Arteon which should knock it down to say about $67-$68k. But the same applies to the Skoda too, which would knock it into the mid $50's.


Yeah im getting corp discount also so hoping it will be around that price also!

dArK5HaD0w
22-08-2017, 05:18 PM
* [/B]thing that's putting me off the Superb Sedan is... if I got one, we would literally have 2 Superbs. Which...I think is sort of silly. .....or is it?

nothing wrong with having two, especially if one is 140TDi and the other a 206TSi Sportline :banana:

7R
31-08-2017, 09:13 PM
I've registered my interest in one yesterday - and the dealer called today but I am in Shanghai so I'll sit down with him next week. Currently got the 7R which I love but now I am D-I-V-O-R-C-E-D I need a more sensible car to cart around a 13 year old and all the stuff that comes with being a responsible parent (we always had a second boring wagon for that).

I will likely lease it but am hoping I can land a fully loaded version for $67k-$68k as others have said here. Does anyone know when pricing will be more definite. I am thinking anything over $74k puts it out of contention for many and into Audi territory. If that's the case I would look at the Kia Stinger GT or something more staid like a Passat 206 R Line wagon....

DreamensioN
04-09-2017, 11:31 AM
Article written in NZ a few days ago.
_https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/road-tests/96325010/volkswagen-graduates-from-art-class-but-is-there-any-work-out-there

Pricing there is $75K NZD (I'm not sure if that's drive away or not).

If you work it on that and do a direct currency conversion – it's ~ $67300 AUD.

Demonoid
06-09-2017, 11:45 PM
Article written in NZ a few days ago.
_https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/road-tests/96325010/volkswagen-graduates-from-art-class-but-is-there-any-work-out-there

Pricing there is $75K NZD (I'm not sure if that's drive away or not).

If you work it on that and do a direct currency conversion – it's ~ $67300 AUD.
Yes I saw that article and was somewhat surprised that, if genuine, NZ VW has announced pricing before Australia.
I dare say that is the RRP and not drive away.

My dealer said initially up to $10k more that the 206TSI Passat R-line which is as we know $57,990 RRP. So I think perhaps $67,990 is the absolute most I would be willing to pay (i.e. a $10k premium for essentially the styling and a couple of extra safety features). Corp discount plus GST savings from Novated lease will push it down to about $60k drive away I am hoping.


Incidentally, assuming this is not rated as a fuel efficient car, Luxury Tax threshold comes in at $65,094 for this FY so will be interesting to see if the RRP comes in below that.

Demonoid
08-09-2017, 12:43 AM
Actually on the VW NZ site, there RRP price is definitely there for all to see $74,990 NZD

Volkswagen New Zealand - New Cars (https://www.volkswagen.co.nz/new-cars/)

DreamensioN
08-09-2017, 04:09 PM
Nice! There's actually an extra colour (the Oryx Pearl White) on the NZ site which isn't in the PDF file I posted above earlier.

Anybody know if the Arteon will have a Qi wireless charger in the center console for the phone? I found some info in the Irish spec sheet that said you get it when you upgrade the entertainment system. One would assume because we only get the "R Line" version which has top everything, that it would also be included, but I can't find any information to confirm it.

Mr_206
08-09-2017, 06:07 PM
Incidentally, assuming this is not rated as a fuel efficient car, Luxury Tax threshold comes in at $65,094 for this FY so will be interesting to see if the RRP comes in below that.[/CENTER]


No way will an Arteon be 60k drive away! Thats still in passat territory. Your looking athigh 60's early 70s sorry to say!

Demonoid
09-09-2017, 01:24 PM
No way will an Arteon be 60k drive away! Thats still in passat territory. Your looking athigh 60's early 70s sorry to say!
I think you are little confused. A $70K RRP with a corporate discount (anywhere from 5-10% off) and then a GST saving (10%) which you get with a novated lease, will bring it down to low 60K at most drive away.

Mr_206
10-09-2017, 06:46 PM
dont forget plus on roads!

Demonoid
13-09-2017, 11:23 PM
Fresh off the press

Car Advice reporting $65,490. If accurate, that is an excellent price for mine.

Volkswagen Arteon to cost $65,490 (http://www.caradvice.com.au/583625/volkswagen-arteon-to-cost-65490/)

Mr_206
14-09-2017, 11:03 AM
yep... not too bad.... told ya's i was right with my pricing! ;)

DreamensioN
14-09-2017, 11:20 AM
Fresh off the press

Car Advice reporting $65,490. If accurate, that is an excellent price for mine.

Volkswagen Arteon to cost $65,490 (http://www.caradvice.com.au/583625/volkswagen-arteon-to-cost-65490/)

That's the stuff! So say $67-$68k with onroads. Maybe $70k if you want the premium sound & wheels and onroads.

Minus the corporate discount, minus GST if you're leasing it.

Giggdity giggdity...awwwwwriiiiiight.

DreamensioN
18-09-2017, 05:05 PM
So I asked VW Australia on Facebook if the Arteon will come with a Qi charger. They said no.

If that's true...it's a bit rubbish. Seeing as it comes in the Skoda Superb, and is included in the Arteon models overseas when you option in the upgraded entertainment system. And now I've also found a couple of youtube video reviews of the Arteon where they mention the Qi charger.

In other news - watch this.. 310kph in an Arteon (not standard obviously): YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CX3t-AybXw)

Mr_206
18-09-2017, 06:33 PM
So I asked VW Australia on Facebook if the Arteon will come with a Qi charger. They said no.


Oh well... would have been nice to have but not a deal breaker. You need to plug it in to use Apple Carplay and Android auto so it charges at the same time anyways

Mr T.
27-09-2017, 08:01 PM
My dealers response... “The vehicle with on roads is around the $74,182 + the optional extras on top which VW hasn't supplied us pricing for yet. About $80k i reckon when they release everything.”

Sounds a bit rich?!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Mr_206
03-10-2017, 11:26 AM
So apparently the first ship load of Arteon's is on the water and on its way to AUS! Will land in Melb early Nov with delivery's starting mid to end of Nov! Not long to go now!

Demonoid
03-10-2017, 05:56 PM
So apparently the first ship load of Arteon's is on the water and on its way to AUS! Will land in Melb early Nov with delivery's starting mid to end of Nov! Not long to go now!
I was told the cars were already in the country by my dealer. Was told something else by my novated lease/fleet car guy. Is someone telling porkies?

Still no details on the VW website - just the countdown timer showing 19 days. I think (hope) I am in the first batch so I am hoping I have a new car in my possession by the end of the month, but I am not holding my breath :(

7R
03-10-2017, 10:37 PM
Cars are here in Sydney. I saw one in Campsie on Saturday and another on parramatta road same day. Nice but I’m thinking not for me. Dealer confirmed he has the cars in dealership right now for me to see. Will look at 7.5 r wagon, Passat 206 wagon or maybe even a Passat alltrack Wolfsburg.

Mr_206
04-10-2017, 11:08 AM
​Sorry guys your correct, there is already a boat thats landed, mine must be on the second boat coming here in a few weeks

DreamensioN
05-10-2017, 10:31 AM
My dealers response... “The vehicle with on roads is around the $74,182 + the optional extras on top which VW hasn't supplied us pricing for yet. About $80k i reckon when they release everything.”

Sounds a bit rich?!



o_O - $80K!?!?! I hope that isn't true. May aswell get an A5 in that case.

Even though these aren't officially "released" yet, are dealers showing them on display? Or not yet?
I'm still chasing 100% confirmation if they have a QI Wireless charging mat built into the center console (like the Superb) or not.

Mr_206
05-10-2017, 11:12 AM
FYI - Second ship docs in Melb 24/10 - The Morning Crystal

A5 is smaller and will be around $100k with similar features though :(

Mr T.
05-10-2017, 03:52 PM
o_O - $80K!?!?! I hope that isn't true. May aswell get an A5 in that case.

Even though these aren't officially "released" yet, are dealers showing them on display? Or not yet?
I'm still chasing 100% confirmation if they have a QI Wireless charging mat built into the center console (like the Superb) or not.

I have ordered a the golf R Wolfie and it was being delayed and just asked how much a fully loaded Arteon was and that is what they replied. I think it’s too high.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Demonoid
05-10-2017, 05:30 PM
I have ordered a the golf R Wolfie and it was being delayed and just asked how much a fully loaded Arteon was and that is what they replied. I think it’s too high.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
While my dealer did not mention a price, I was advised the $65490 price quoted in the press might not be accurate and he expects it could be higher. But then again it just could be sales speak - i.e. give the impression of a higher price so that when the real price is announced, assuming the press is accurate, you'll psychologically think "wow, thats cheap".

The articles also quoted VW head office talking about price points, so I can't imagine they would be too far wrong.

Mr T.
05-10-2017, 07:22 PM
While my dealer did not mention a price, I was advised the $65490 price quoted in the press might not be accurate and he expects it could be higher. But then again it just could be sales speak - i.e. give the impression of a higher price so that when the real price is announced, assuming the press is accurate, you'll psychologically think "wow, thats cheap".

The articles also quoted VW head office talking about price points, so I can't imagine they would be too far wrong.

I’d image it won’t cut into Audi money territory. All their cars slot in nicely between each other.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

nermal
06-10-2017, 08:58 AM
While my dealer did not mention a price, I was advised the $65490 price quoted in the press might not be accurate and he expects it could be higher. But then again it just could be sales speak - i.e. give the impression of a higher price so that when the real price is announced, assuming the press is accurate, you'll psychologically think "wow, thats cheap".

The articles also quoted VW head office talking about price points, so I can't imagine they would be too far wrong.

I'm guessing he probably didn't like the idea of having you canceling your order to (potentially) buy a new model in the near future. Probably just a salesman trying to talk you out of the change in order to protect his commission (bird in the hand)..

Dutch77
15-10-2017, 03:05 PM
The Arteon's are starting to pop up on the show scene, classy looking rides.

30776

30777

30778

30779

30780

Mr_206
17-10-2017, 03:12 PM
Anyone seen any on the road yet? Launch day is Monday in Vic!

Demonoid
17-10-2017, 04:00 PM
Anyone seen any on the road yet? Launch day is Monday in Vic!
Living in Canberra, the answer is a big fat No. I am still waiting to hear when they will commence delivery.

Is Launch day specific to VIC? On the website it just has the timer indicating a this coming Monday launch I am assuming Australia wide.

Mr_206
18-10-2017, 09:13 AM
I would think its Aus wide launch. im hoping to go see one at my dealer next week. Mine is still on the ship heading to Melb. ETA 24/10! Should have it by mid Nov i would think

DreamensioN
19-10-2017, 11:13 AM
I would think its Aus wide launch. im hoping to go see one at my dealer next week. Mine is still on the ship heading to Melb. ETA 24/10! Should have it by mid Nov i would think


I'm not going to be able to get to a dealer for a few weeks. If someone does get to one next week - can you report back on the following:

- Qi Wireless charger - does it have one?
- RRP (so this is finally confirmed), and RRP of the options

Demonoid
22-10-2017, 11:34 AM
So, looks like 4 Arteons have been loaded into Carsales.com.au prior to the official launch. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/volkswagen/arteon/?sortby=TopDeal&limit=12

One of them has no price. The other 3, appear to be from Sydney City VW ("next to Sydney Airport..." in the blurb) apparently with cars in stock.

- There is one at $77,990 Drive away with the Sound and style package (Dynaudio and 20 inch Alloy's)
- There are two at $79,990 which adds the sunroof as well.

Assuming then that the base model is around the mid $75k drive away, would suggest $10k of on roads (seems a bit high?) if the press RRP price of $65,490 is anything to go by.

We'll know Tuesday morning, 8am.

99_FGT
22-10-2017, 12:40 PM
So, looks like 4 Arteons have been loaded into Carsales.com.au prior to the official launch. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/volkswagen/arteon/?sortby=TopDeal&limit=12

One of them has no price. The other 3, appear to be from Sydney City VW ("next to Sydney Airport..." in the blurb) apparently with cars in stock.

- There is one at $77,990 Drive away with the Sound and style package (Dynaudio and 20 inch Alloy's)
- There are two at $79,990 which adds the sunroof as well.

Assuming then that the base model is around the mid $75k drive away, would suggest $10k of on roads (seems a bit high?) if the press RRP price of $65,490 is anything to go by.

We'll know Tuesday morning, 8am.Lct, vehicles over 65090
They could pitch the base model below the threshold, but then it would be a 6k jump to add one option.


Sent from my SM-T710 using Tapatalk

Demonoid
22-10-2017, 01:09 PM
Lct, vehicles over 65090
They could pitch the base model below the threshold, but then it would be a 6k jump to add one option.


Sent from my SM-T710 using Tapatalk
Yes good point. But even assuming $65,490 RRP the LCT would be negligible

LCT can be a complex beast - according to the ATO guidelines below (refer link), some on roads (e.g. Dealer delivery charges) are included in the LCT calculation, whereas others, such as rego, are not.

I guess it all depends on what is the best price you can negotiate with your dealer, or ask them to absorb all the on roads, or at least the ones that are used in the LCT calculation, in order to pay none or as little tax as possible.

(Access Denied (https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Luxury-car-tax/Working-out-the-LCT-amount/Working-out-the-LCT-on-a-sale/))

DreamensioN
23-10-2017, 07:53 PM
According to this: Luxury Car Tax Calculator - stratton Australia (https://www.strattonfinance.com.au/car-finance/loan-calculator/luxury-car-tax-calculator.aspx)

The LCT on the Arteon should be about $118

$10K for "on roads" is very high. Probably a large chunk of that is "dealer delivery". AKA - "If you want the car now, this is what you need to pay us." I reckon the price will drop once more stock starts to enter the market.

Vexed
23-10-2017, 10:28 PM
ABT has done some cool stuff on the Arteon... Wishful thinking...

VW Arteon with 336 hp and 420 Nm (http://www.abt-sportsline.de/en/latest-news/news/detail/news/vw-arteon-mit-336-ps-und-420-nm/news-a/show/news-c/NewsItem/news-from/44/)

Mr_206
24-10-2017, 08:36 AM
My car has arrived! Landed in Melb this morning!

Mr_206
24-10-2017, 11:27 AM
VW website still not updated. Count down has hit 00:00:00 but nothing! What a let down lol

Eyes24
24-10-2017, 11:50 AM
Brighton Vw in Melbourne have 5 Arteon’s , fully loaded selling at $80k. If you want a good salesman to deal with ask for Nathan Deeming, l got my car from him , and he was awesome to deal with.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
24-10-2017, 03:13 PM
VW website still not updated. Count down has hit 00:00:00 but nothing! What a let down lol

Tell me about it. I must have "registered my interest" like 6 times, and I still haven't received a marketing email or anything.

DreamensioN
24-10-2017, 03:14 PM
Brighton Vw in Melbourne have 5 Arteon’s , fully loaded selling at $80k. If you want a good salesman to deal with ask for Nathan Deeming, l got my car from him , and he was awesome to deal with.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ok so minus VW Corporate Discount that's $72K drive away. That's not too bad if $80k is the actual price. I still reckon there's wiggle room in that once we see more stock.

Demonoid
24-10-2017, 07:12 PM
Yes, my fleet guy is saying that VW is playing hard ball on discounts, as its new stock. No doubt the longer you leave it the more wiggle room but if you want it straight away, not much room to haggle.

Pricing is now up on their website - for me in Canberra, base model with no options, and white, is $71,205k drive away

nermal
25-10-2017, 09:24 AM
Seems someone forgot to upload the brochure too.. I requested one, but can't download it.

404 Not Found (https://www.volkswagen.com.au/content/medialib/vwd4/au/common/brochures/volkswagen-cc/_jcr_content/renditions/rendition_4.file/j1770-cc-brochure-my15-fn_update_08-10-15.pdf)

Heh, the URL indicates it may be linking to an old Passat CC brochure: '/j1770-cc-brochure-my15-fn_update_08-10-15.pdf'

Mr_206
25-10-2017, 12:01 PM
Specs sheet does work however

nermal
25-10-2017, 03:06 PM
Got to sit in one today - beautiful car, looks even better in person.
Tough, yet elegant (almost expect it to be sporting a V8 under the hood).

Looking forward to taking one for a test drive.

3097630977

DreamensioN
25-10-2017, 03:43 PM
I just got back from a dealership aswell and sat in one. The seating position (for me) is much better than the Skoda Superb. I found I had a lot more clearance between my legs and the steering wheel than the Superb.

Also - the section in the center console where you put your phone in the Arteon is useless. Does VW know that people have moved on from the iPhone 3GS? Seriously...ain't no way you'd get a modern sized smart phone in there.

I can confirm - no wireless charging. So looks like that option is only for the Euro market.

I got priced up for $78300 RRP drive away, full full options (metallic paint, sunroof, sound & style package).
Options are $1923ea (GST inc). And the metallic paint varies between $500 - $700 depending on what you want. The price I got included the Manganese Grey.

They said that when it comes to it, they will be able to do better.

Also interesting to note is that the dealership told me that the Arteon is *NOT* part of the VW Corporate Program - so corporate discounting does not apply.

I'd like someone else to find this out. I'm not sure if they were just saying that, or if it's a legit story.

tigger73
25-10-2017, 08:12 PM
Also interesting to note is that the dealership told me that the Arteon is *NOT* part of the VW Corporate Program - so corporate discounting does not apply.

I'd like someone else to find this out. I'm not sure if they were just saying that, or if it's a legit story.

It's often the case that for the first 6(ish) months that VW doesn't provide corporate pricing for new models. VW feels that they don't need to offer discounts to move the new models as demand often is more than supply and they can shift the cars without offering corporate rates.

Demonoid
25-10-2017, 08:23 PM
I just got back from a dealership aswell and sat in one. The seating position (for me) is much better than the Skoda Superb. I found I had a lot more clearance between my legs and the steering wheel than the Superb.

Also - the section in the center console where you put your phone in the Arteon is useless. Does VW know that people have moved on from the iPhone 3GS? Seriously...ain't no way you'd get a modern sized smart phone in there.

I can confirm - no wireless charging. So looks like that option is only for the Euro market.

I got priced up for $78300 RRP drive away, full full options (metallic paint, sunroof, sound & style package).
Options are $1923ea (GST inc). And the metallic paint varies between $500 - $700 depending on what you want. The price I got included the Manganese Grey.

They said that when it comes to it, they will be able to do better.

Also interesting to note is that the dealership told me that the Arteon is *NOT* part of the VW Corporate Program - so corporate discounting does not apply.

I'd like someone else to find this out. I'm not sure if they were just saying that, or if it's a legit story.
Yes this is what I have found out to. Not just from VW but also my fleet guy.
I have also discovered that my workplace does not allow me to novate cars higher than the luxury car tax threshold :( so I have bit the bullet and decided to save myself about $15k and just go with the regular Passat 206 R-line.

Mr_206
26-10-2017, 07:48 AM
Was the previous pics the Magensium Grey?

DreamensioN
26-10-2017, 07:53 AM
Here are pics of the white one I looked at...

nermal
26-10-2017, 08:53 AM
Was the previous pics the Magensium Grey?

Yeah, the pics I posted were in Magnesium Grey. Looks really good in that color.


Here are pics of the white one I looked at...

Which dealership was the white one at? The pics I posted were taken at Austral VW (Newstead Qld).

ope126
26-10-2017, 09:08 AM
I noticed a Black Arteon driving south bound on Logan Rd yesterday afternoon (just near Garden City). Looks awesome on the road...:banana:

Mr_206
26-10-2017, 11:30 AM
Anyone got pics of the Pyrit Silver with 20inch wheels, thats what i've ordered!

DreamensioN
26-10-2017, 12:17 PM
Which dealership was the white one at? The pics I posted were taken at Austral VW (Newstead Qld).

Westpoint VW at Indooropilly. They have a black one there aswell with the sound & style package & sunroof.

nermal
26-10-2017, 02:44 PM
Westpoint VW at Indooropilly. They have a black one there aswell with the sound & style package & sunroof.

Nice - black is another color I'm interested in.

nermal
26-10-2017, 03:00 PM
I'm a little disappointed that it does 0-100km/h in the same speed as my R36 (5.6s) - which is slower than the latest Golf R!

ABT in Germany have a tune available..


ABT has done some cool stuff on the Arteon... Wishful thinking...

VW Arteon with 336 hp and 420 Nm (http://www.abt-sportsline.de/en/latest-news/news/detail/news/vw-arteon-mit-336-ps-und-420-nm/news-a/show/news-c/NewsItem/news-from/44/)

... does anyone know if this will be available in Australia? and is it possible to get an engine tune without voiding the warranty?

- being a turbo, it's only a matter of time until someone offers a tune for it I guess.

Vexed
26-10-2017, 03:05 PM
I'm a little disappointed that it does 0-100km/h in the same speed as my R36 (5.6s) - which is slower than the latest Golf R!

ABT in Germany have a tune available..



... does anyone know if this will be available in Australia? and is it possible to get an engine tune without voiding the warranty?

- being a turbo, it's only a matter of time until someone offers a tune for it I guess.You can get ABT tunes for VW in Australia, and it comes with a solid warranty, but it costs double the price of anything else in the market.
The other thing is, VAG are usually conservative with their 0-100 figures, it might be a little bit faster than the official quoted time.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Wynnston
28-10-2017, 08:49 PM
You can get ABT tunes for VW in Australia, and it comes with a solid warranty, but it costs double the price of anything else in the market.
The other thing is, VAG are usually conservative with their 0-100 figures, it might be a little bit faster than the official quoted time.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Yep, my 206 TSI sedan Passat is advertised 5.5 sec 0-100. It does 5.0 flat using Launch Control at a drag strip. 13.3 sec quarter.

Mr_206
31-10-2017, 10:39 AM
A couple pics from VW Essendon 3111731120

nermal
31-10-2017, 12:39 PM
A couple pics from VW Essendon

Looks nice in black.

I looked at a BMW 430i Gran Tourismo yesterday... nice car, but it was even slower at 5.9s... maybe my expectations are just too high after owning the R36.

Mr_206
31-10-2017, 12:54 PM
Black did look tough but would be a pain to keep clean (Have had a blk car in the past) plus you lose the black details in the front bumber and rear. I've gone with the silver one shown above - Pyrite Silver which i think looks the best!

Elmura
31-10-2017, 09:49 PM
As a Passat R36 ex owner, and currently a modified CC owner, the Arteon has appeal for me in appearance, features, technology, and easily boosted performance.

There's one aspect I don't like about the appearance: looking side on, the rear end looks like it's been stretched from part way through the rear door. The roof line stretches all the way to the tail lights. Certainly not in perspective with the front half.

Funny thing with VW - they seem to ensure the best resolved designs are left for Audi brand. The R36 had a stretched looking rear. The 09-12 CC has great appearance from some angles, but it's front end is almost universally disliked. The '12-16 improved the front end at the expense of the rear!

Those wheels look great but don't have enough offset so the wheels sit inside the body, limiting the potentially aggressive appearance.

And what's with the footrest and pedals?

Arteon repeats the approach.... almost there. Needs 20mm lowering, wider wheelbase, change out the footrest.

Mr_206
01-11-2017, 08:50 AM
And what's with the footrest and pedals?

Arteon repeats the approach.... almost there. Needs 20mm lowering, wider wheelbase, change out the footrest.

Whats wrong with the footrest?

Every car looks better if its lowered 20mm and made a wider wheelbase but its a car for useability for the masses, not the small percentage of people who will mod their cars

nermal
01-11-2017, 09:03 AM
There's one aspect I don't like about the appearance: looking side on, the rear end looks like it's been stretched from part way through the rear door. The roof line stretches all the way to the tail lights. Certainly not in perspective with the front half.

Have you had a chance to look at one in person? I thought the rear-end looked quite stretched (and rounded) in photos, but didn't notice that in person - it looked balanced.. Or perhaps I just need to take a look from lower-down/further away to see it.

For me (at this stage), it's the base performance.. I can't bring myself to buy a $80K premium coupe that is slower than a Golf!! and also the Passat it's based on.

The Arteon, Passat & Golf can all be tuned/tweaked, but you're starting from a base... if the Golf R (213kW) is just a tuned 206, why didn't VW just tune the Arteon to be a few tenths of a second faster?

I'm holding out hope that they'll offer a more potent option in the near'ish future...

Mr_206
01-11-2017, 09:31 AM
I'm holding out hope that they'll offer a more potent option in the near'ish future...

There is a remour a 6 cylinder turbo may find its way into the Arteon. But i suspect it would be 2-3 yrs away

nermal
01-11-2017, 10:21 AM
There is a remour a 6 cylinder turbo may find its way into the Arteon. But i suspect it would be 2-3 yrs away

Right, I've heard that rumor too, sounds promising :-)

In 2-3 years, there may be some electric options too. VW have an AEROe 'performance coupe' on their electric roadmap in the 2019-2022 timeframe.. though the Tesla model 3 with ludicrous mode should also be available in AU by then..

Elmura
02-11-2017, 07:18 AM
Whats wrong with the footrest?

Every car looks better if its lowered 20mm and made a wider wheelbase but its a car for useability for the masses, not the small percentage of people who will mod their carsMany cars look better with less wheel: body gap. However, there are many cars that are factory released with well filled wheel arches and good stance, even around this price point. I'll list a few that come to mind from small to large:

+ Many BMW's
+ Many Audi's
+ Many Mercs
+ Ford Mustang GT
+ Almost any sport model from any manufacturer

I think VW is playing safe trying to appeal to wider audience, but the other manufacturers sell just fine with a more aggressive / sporty appearance.

I'm also curious in how they put a smaller, lighter engine vs the CC V6, but the car is just as heavy.


Sent from my LG-H820 using Tapatalk

Mr_206
02-11-2017, 02:37 PM
Official launch occurred today!

2018 Volkswagen Arteon pricing and specs (http://www.caradvice.com.au/597943/2018-volkswagen-arteon-pricing-and-specs/)

DreamensioN
02-11-2017, 03:01 PM
Official launch occurred today!

2018 Volkswagen Arteon pricing and specs (http://www.caradvice.com.au/597943/2018-volkswagen-arteon-pricing-and-specs/)

So can someone confirm if the prices we saw ($78-$80k) are legit? - well...I know they're legit...I went to a dealer and got a quote. But that was before official pricing was released on their website. I wonder if I went back now if the car would be $4k cheaper.

And interesting that they say the options are $2500ea. I have written here from the dealer (fully RRP inc GST) that the options are $1923ea. And the metallic paint is between $500-$700 depending on what colour of metallic it is you want.

So going for the high side...
$65490 (car) + $1923 (sunroof) + $1923 (sound pack) + $700 (metallic) = $70036.

$8-$10k for onroads??? Surely that can't be right...

Mr_206
02-11-2017, 04:28 PM
your forgetting some LCT and GST. Brings the price to around 80k fully loaded on road as rrp

Mr_206
02-11-2017, 04:28 PM
Of course then you can start some negotiating :)

Mr_206
03-11-2017, 08:13 AM
Reivew from Caradvice 2018 Volkswagen Arteon review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/598181/2018-volkswagen-arteon-review/)

Ozsko
03-11-2017, 09:45 PM
The review in the Sydney Morning Herald was not very flattering at all. 2017 Volkswagen Arteon first drive review (http://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/2017-volkswagen-arteon-first-drive-review-116164.html)

DreamensioN
04-11-2017, 03:11 PM
The review in the Sydney Morning Herald was not very flattering at all. 2017 Volkswagen Arteon first drive review (http://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/2017-volkswagen-arteon-first-drive-review-116164.html)

I thought that review read just fine (it doesn't slam the car at all). Just reiterates what every other review has said "Looks good on the outside, basically a Passat on the inside - VW could have done more if they want to be taken seriously"

Ozsko
04-11-2017, 04:34 PM
To me it came across as a VW trying to be what it isn't and that is a competitor in that price bracket.

tigger73
04-11-2017, 06:20 PM
I thought that review read just fine (it doesn't slam the car at all). Just reiterates what every other review has said "Looks good on the outside, basically a Passat on the inside - VW could have done more if they want to be taken seriously"

The only way VW can keep the price down is to pull from the MQB parts bucket so you're always going to have a lot of common equipment. Though other than the 7 speed DSG and some higher end collision avoidance/active safety there's really not a lot spec-wise that's different to the 206TSI Passat. I kind of struggle with the value proposition, but love the styling.

Mr_206
05-11-2017, 06:40 PM
The only way VW can keep the price down is to pull from the MQB parts bucket so you're always going to have a lot of common equipment. Though other than the 7 speed DSG and some higher end collision avoidance/active safety there's really not a lot spec-wise that's different to the 206TSI Passat. I kind of struggle with the value proposition, but love the styling.


And its that styling why you pay more than a Passat ;)

Ozsko
06-11-2017, 07:00 PM
My feeling is that the Arteon will go the same way as the CC did, sales won't happen. The same has happened to the Mazda six, Mazda pushed it up market and the asking is simply too much for the brand. I thought the CC was a brilliant car with four individual seats but the price was too high for the brand.

doc_777
07-11-2017, 07:11 AM
Halo models rarely sell in large numbers, nor are they intended to. For some buyers, they are an aspirational purchase. For others, they are one vehicle in a sea of many.
Being a halo model, I don't imagine that VW Australia want - nor intend on having - big sales numbers for the Arteon. That would in fact reduce its appeal for those who regard it as an aspirational purchase.

Ozsko
07-11-2017, 10:00 AM
That may well be so but it is supposed to compete with cars which aren't halo models at all, the opposite in fact so the car seems contradictory in that segment. The cars it is competing against are very low end for each manufacturer but because those brands have a perception of luxury and performance people buy them for the brand's recognition which is directly opposite to what VW are trying to do. Watch what happens with the re-sale value of the Arteon, it will resemble a vertical cliff face which won't help either. Brands have a segment and the ones who step outside that generally get a bloody nose.

doc_777
07-11-2017, 11:17 AM
I'm sure Ozsko, that VW Australia will give your expertise suitable thought when they need assistance ;)

Ozsko
07-11-2017, 11:33 AM
I'm sure Ozsko, that VW Australia will give your expertise suitable thought when they need assistance ;)

Been there and done that.

Rooboy
11-11-2017, 02:46 PM
I went and looked at one this morning. It does have a great physical presence and that extra 50cm in the wheelbase is very noticeable in comparison to a regular Passat. Plenty of legroom in the rear but the headroom gets a bit tight. The bootspace is massive with a very long floor which makes the lack of a rear release to lower the back seats a bit disappointing. It's a great looking car though.

DreamensioN
11-11-2017, 10:44 PM
So....anybody here actually bought one / taken delivery?

Soonest I can get back to the dealership is next weekend. I really need to weight up between the Arteon and a Superb Sportline. I'm splitting hairs here.

DreamensioN
12-11-2017, 12:55 PM
Btw - anybody know if there are more accessories for the Arteon other than a coat hanger and a boot liner?

In particular...can you get them with a tow bar in the Australian market? VW site doesn't list it for the Arteon. So I don't know if that means it's not available, or they just haven't updated their site fully.

rsp8
13-11-2017, 11:38 PM
Just did the same decision process myself, despite the looks of the Arteon, which might date, I couldn’t see anywhere near the additional cost over the Superb Sportline in added value, especially with the questionable future value of the Arteon (likely to be more Superb than Passat!). Ordered the Superb in brilliant silver and pick up soon. Also, dealer experience at VW was typically horrific. I walked out when I was ready to buy an R36 and I walked out again when they tried for 73k on a 206tsi...

Mr_206
14-11-2017, 06:13 PM
Mines waiting to picked up.... not ready for it yet... most likely around 2nd week of Dec i'll go get mine! Looking fwd to it!

DreamensioN
14-11-2017, 09:06 PM
Mines waiting to picked up.... not ready for it yet... most likely around 2nd week of Dec i'll go get mine! Looking fwd to it!

Did you weight it up against the Superb Sportline? And if so...what made you go for it?

On paper...I just can't get past the value you get with the Superb (same engine, same practicality, more "everyday" features) - and then there's that 5yr warranty. My only problem is...it looks like someone went through the 2004 Audi A4 parts bin with the panels.

The Arteon looks just so damn good. Assuming no discount on the Arteon, and corporate discount on the Skoda (which I can get) - we're talking like a $20k price difference. I'm just trying to convince myself LED headlights, a 360 degree camera, a drivers seat massage function and a full size spare are worth an extra $20k.

Mr_206
15-11-2017, 01:16 PM
Yeah looked at the superb awhile back before the sportline came out. As much as its a nice car I just love the look and styling of the Arteon. It does feel more premium (to me anywhow) than the Skoda.

(Just wish VW had 5 yr warranty and DAB radio! but guess you can't have everything :(

DreamensioN
16-11-2017, 04:13 PM
Another new article...
Tested: Volkswagen Arteon sedan takes aim at Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz (http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/tested-volkswagen-arteon-sedan-takes-aim-at-audi-bmw-and-mercedesbenz/news-story/100a87817456a4438699b3527e071a91)

Ozsko
17-11-2017, 04:11 PM
Did you weight it up against the Superb Sportline? And if so...what made you go for it?

On paper...I just can't get past the value you get with the Superb (same engine, same practicality, more "everyday" features) - and then there's that 5yr warranty. My only problem is...it looks like someone went through the 2004 Audi A4 parts bin with the panels.

The Arteon looks just so damn good. Assuming no discount on the Arteon, and corporate discount on the Skoda (which I can get) - we're talking like a $20k price difference. I'm just trying to convince myself LED headlights, a 360 degree camera, a drivers seat massage function and a full size spare are worth an extra $20k.

As someone who has driven the Superb with Zenons and the Tiguan with LED's I reckon the Zenons are better or they were in my Superb. If the Arteon has DLA control for the LED's then that could tip the balance. Price an Arteon then spec an A4 to about the same price and see what the difference is in equipment? Is the A4 due for a model change yet?

Mr_206
17-11-2017, 08:06 PM
As someone who has driven the Superb with Zenons and the Tiguan with LED's I reckon the Zenons are better or they were in my Superb. If the Arteon has DLA control for the LED's then that could tip the balance. Price an Arteon then spec an A4 to about the same price and see what the difference is in equipment? Is the A4 due for a model change yet?

Arteon is comparable in size to the A7... i looked at the A5 sportback and its like a whole size smaller and with similar equipment your looking around 90-100k!

Ozsko
17-11-2017, 08:59 PM
Not everyone wants a bigger car.

DreamensioN
18-11-2017, 04:00 PM
Ok so I test drove one today.. here's one thing I noticed.

You can't use the HUD with polarised sunglasses. Seriously. You see absolutely nothing. So basically (for me) the HUD is useless during daylight driving (because all my sunglasses are polarised - and always have been).

Also I found out the seats are only heated (not heated and cooled like they are in the Superb).

As for driving the car...well.... I don't drive enough cars to notice the subtle difference between them all, but for me - it basically drives like every other VW I've ever driven. For me, it was very similar (though a little less punchy) than my current Golf R.

nermal
20-11-2017, 12:11 PM
Also I found out the seats are only heated (not heated and cooled like they are in the Superb).

Did the CC come with cooled seats?

DreamensioN
20-11-2017, 02:45 PM
Did the CC come with cooled seats?

Internet says yes.
2012 Volkswagen CC Launch Review (https://www.themotorreport.com.au/car-review/2012-volkswagen-cc-first-drive-road-test-review-australia-76198.html)

It looks like it was a $750 option for heated & cooled seats with massage function.

Vexed
20-11-2017, 02:51 PM
Did the CC come with cooled seats?Yes, my old CC had cooled front seats.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Ozsko
20-11-2017, 06:42 PM
I was tyre kicking today or rather I was making an inquiry at the service counter and wandered around the show room and sat in an Arteon. I can see what the media mean when they say it is underwhelming, internally it is a typical modern VW with a bigger screen. The under the hood tech might be more than the Passat but in this country not that much more. All modern VW's are good places to be in but for the coin I would want a bit more, I am not criticising the car as such but in that price range I think it lacks the needed panache. I will now duck behind the wall and wait for the incoming rounds to be fired.

nermal
21-11-2017, 11:02 AM
I was tyre kicking today or rather I was making an inquiry at the service counter and wandered around the show room and sat in an Arteon. I can see what the media mean when they say it is underwhelming, internally it is a typical modern VW with a bigger screen. The under the hood tech might be more than the Passat but in this country not that much more. All modern VW's are good places to be in but for the coin I would want a bit more, I am not criticising the car as such but in that price range I think it lacks the needed panache. I will now duck behind the wall and wait for the incoming rounds to be fired.

Not sure if you have to worry about any incoming rounds ;-P

It's a great looking car with loads of potential.. But (IMO) for the price, it just needs that extra 10% performance & features to get it over the line - it's a VW, so people are looking for value, not a badge.

I'm considering other options ATM, but am somewhat hopeful VW could improve upon the Arteon in the near future... maybe

Ozsko
21-11-2017, 11:39 AM
I suppose because it might appear from my earlier postings that I am critical of the car which in a way I most probably am. It is not a bad car but it does lack that little extra that should be there IMO. I am positive it is a nice thing to drive, does everything very well etc but that is not sufficient for the price. At that level I want someone to get in the car and be surprised at the interior, not like I did yesterday, got in it and instantly thought it is my car with a bigger screen.

DreamensioN
21-11-2017, 12:44 PM
I suppose because it might appear from my earlier postings that I am critical of the car which in a way I most probably am. It is not a bad car but it does lack that little extra that should be there IMO. I am positive it is a nice thing to drive, does everything very well etc but that is not sufficient for the price. At that level I want someone to get in the car and be surprised at the interior, not like I did yesterday, got in it and instantly thought it is my car with a bigger screen.


I'm in the same boat with you guys. I'm having a very hard time to see where the extra cash goes for what you get. When I was in the dealership on Saturday, I even said straight up to the guy that I'm comparing the Arteon against the Superb Sportline (which lets face it...is really the main competitor here), and I asked him to explain to me the benefits of the Arteon over the Superb as I would really like to know where the price difference is going.

And he couldn't. He just pointed out some random bits of technology on the car which I was already fully aware of and almost gave up trying to justify its cost. That didn't give me a lot of confidence that it's actually worth the extra money (or he just didn't know the Arteon well enough to talk about it).

I'm all ok with paying the extra cash for an Arteon, as long as I know what I'm getting. But so far I haven't found anybody, or any information that can explain why it costs what it does and what the value proposition is against the Superb Sportline.

Because right now...the Superb looks the clear winner - and when you factor in a corporate discount on the Superb, vs an assumed full retail (or minimal discount) on the Arteon, that's nearly $20,000 difference. And that's not really a lump of cash to be casually dismissed - especially from prospective buyers in our segment.

DreamensioN
21-11-2017, 12:55 PM
I'm all ok with paying the extra cash for an Arteon, as long as I know what I'm getting. But so far I haven't found anybody, or any information that can explain why it costs what it does and what the value proposition is against the Superb Sportline.


And what I mean by this is, apart from a...
- 360 degree camera
- LED headlights
- massage function
- 20" rims with the upgraded sound system
- an extra gear
- heads up display that doesn't work with polarised sunglasses

...what does the Arteon offer above the Superb Sportline? I can't see $20k of added value just in those things. Especially when the Superb includes...
- rear integrated sunshades
- Qi wireless charging
- chilled center console storage
- space to hold a tablet in the center console storage
- 5yr warranty

nermal
21-11-2017, 01:00 PM
And what I mean by this is, apart from a...
- 360 degree camera
- LED headlights
- massage function
- 20" rims with the upgraded sound system
- an extra gear
- heads up display that doesn't work with polarised sunglasses

...what does the Arteon offer above the Superb Sportline? I can't see $20k of added value just in those things. Especially when the Superb includes...
- rear integrated sunshades
- Qi wireless charging
- chilled center console storage
- space to hold a tablet in the center console storage
- 5yr warranty

I seem to recall that the Superb also has ventilated seats?

For me (in Qld) that is a big advantage - I'd prefer cooled seats to heated any day.

Ozsko
21-11-2017, 01:32 PM
I just read through this thread again and it does not reflect the usual "can't wait" enthusiasm of others like the Tiguan.

Vexed
21-11-2017, 02:03 PM
I seem to recall that the Superb also has ventilated seats?

For me (in Qld) that is a big advantage - I'd prefer cooled seats to heated any day.Yes it has ventilated seats in my 206... The Sportline doesn't have this option though because it comes with Alcantara sports seats.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
21-11-2017, 04:16 PM
I seem to recall that the Superb also has ventilated seats?

For me (in Qld) that is a big advantage - I'd prefer cooled seats to heated any day.

Ohh and the Superb has DAB+ radio aswell. Arteon doesn't.


Ah geez... I gotta head back to the Skoda dealer and take the Superb Sportline for a test drive.

Mr_206
21-11-2017, 04:51 PM
your also forgetting the Arteon has far more advanced safety features over the Skoda...

Just depends on what you value... for me the wireless charger would be nice but no biggie, cooled glovebox is a gimmick (old car had it never used it), cooled seats would be nice feature i guess... never had it

Ozsko
21-11-2017, 05:08 PM
I have never compared the two cars on that level, what extra does the Arteon have over the Superb?

DreamensioN
21-11-2017, 05:53 PM
your also forgetting the Arteon has far more advanced safety features over the Skoda...


Well this is what I looked at aswell.
They both have traffic jam assist, blind spot assist, lane assist, fatigue detection, adaptive cruise control, front assist/collision detection etc. But what spun me out is they both have that thing where the car will pull over and automatically call emergency services. I thought that was with the Arteon only and was a whole new thing. Then I found out Skoda already had it.

And...I just found out the MY18 Superb has "Surround Area View" (aka 360 degree camera).

Vexed
21-11-2017, 05:56 PM
Well this is what I looked at aswell.
They both have traffic jam assist, blind spot assist, lane assist, fatigue detection, adaptive cruise control, front assist/collision detection etc. But what spun me out is they both have that thing where the car will pull over and automatically call emergency services. I thought that was with the Arteon only and was a whole new thing. Then I found out Skoda already had it.

And...I just found out the MY18 Superb has "Surround Area View" (aka 360 degree camera).The pull over part is more advanced in the Arteon... It will move to the left lane and pull over... In the current Superb, it will just pull over in the same lane.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

rsp8
21-11-2017, 06:01 PM
But what spun me out is they both have that thing where the car will pull over and automatically call emergency services. I thought that was with the Arteon only and was a whole new thing. Then I found out Skoda already had it.

And...I just found out the MY18 Superb has "Surround Area View" (aka 360 degree camera).

I ordered my Sportline based on the MY17 I test drove, this thread is just making me happier now you keep pointing out MY18 changes I wasn’t even aware of! I thought the only difference was the bigger screen without tactile buttons.

I’m not sure if the Arteon and the Sportline are direct competition, not in the same way as the Passat R-line, purely because the Arteon is such a distinctive look.

I do believe though that if they ever put the digital dash in the Superb Sportline and opened a few more dealers, they’d never sell another Passat (Ok I am being slightly tongue in cheek, but not much).

The Skoda also has the configurable interior lighting colour which might turn out to be a gimmick, but I liked it.

DreamensioN
21-11-2017, 10:28 PM
So for anybody interested...I'm keeping a side by side comparison here.
Superb Sportline vs VW Arteon - Google Sheets (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ty7eHbaPCI02TF-ZZhJZjwzwaRvCiPv1XU4Rrfhj1TA/edit?usp=sharing)

This is just the things that I'm deeming important to me and how they compare in each car. I'll add more to this as I come across it but hopefully if someone else is trying to decide between the Superb vs Arteon - this will help them with the finer points.

Mr_206
28-11-2017, 06:12 PM
Hopefully none affected here 2018 Volkswagen Golf, Passat, Arteon recalled (http://www.caradvice.com.au/604591/2018-golf-passat-and-arteon-recalled-for-wheel-bearing-housing-fix/)

hadrami
04-12-2017, 09:21 AM
So this is our story...

Our 2012 CC 125TDI got rear ended last week. Thankfully the mrs is OK but the car is a write off, hence looking at new options.

The cars we have shortlisted are, in no particular order:
Arteon
Jaguar XE (or XF)
Audi A5 sportback
BMW 430 Gran Coupe

Test drove the Arteon, great car, looks like a beast, has all the things she is looking in a car (except probably a mouse for the touch screen) but the question we keep coming to is is $70k too much for a VW when you can get an Audi, Jag or BMW.

I have been looking at demo cars with maximum 5000kms and you can get one of those 3 brands heavily discounted. Arteon being a new car, not so much and the price would have to have a 6 in front and include the pano roof for us to pull the trigger. Wishful thinking.

But those 3 brands don't tick all our options either.

The BMW cabin/infotainment is nice, but the dials look like a 2000 model BMW. Reviews aren't as good as the others.

Audi A5 Sportback in S Line is fantastic with the virtual cockpit, cabin and space, but rear window opens only halfway and the tank capacity on the TDI is a miserly 40 litres, yes 40 litres. I don't know what they were thinking. Even the petrol variant is only 54 litres which for a car this size is still small. In comparison the Arteon is 66 litres.

The Jaguar looks nice, interior isn't bad but not as sporty/refined as the others. Looks more prestige. While the car's price isn't too bad, once you add a few options you're well above the 70k mark.

Arteon pretty much ticks all the boxes, except the wheel mouse. A diesel engine would have been great.

My question was actually going to be, what mileage are you getting out of the car on a tank? Our old CC was a TDI and would easily get 800+, so less trips to the petrol station and more steady prices. Petrol can jump up 30c in a day...

And did you consider any of those other brands?

Thanks in advance.

Vexed
04-12-2017, 09:36 AM
So this is our story...

Our 2012 CC 125TDI got rear ended last week. Thankfully the mrs is OK but the car is a write off, hence looking at new options.

The cars we have shortlisted are, in no particular order:
Arteon
Jaguar XE (or XF)
Audi A5 sportback
BMW 430 Gran Coupe

Test drove the Arteon, great car, looks like a beast, has all the things she is looking in a car (except probably a mouse for the touch screen) but the question we keep coming to is is $70k too much for a VW when you can get an Audi, Jag or BMW.

I have been looking at demo cars with maximum 5000kms and you can get one of those 3 brands heavily discounted. Arteon being a new car, not so much and the price would have to have a 6 in front and include the pano roof for us to pull the trigger. Wishful thinking.

But those 3 brands don't tick all our options either.

The BMW cabin/infotainment is nice, but the dials look like a 2000 model BMW. Reviews aren't as good as the others.

Audi A5 Sportback in S Line is fantastic with the virtual cockpit, cabin and space, but rear window opens only halfway and the tank capacity on the TDI is a miserly 40 litres, yes 40 litres. I don't know what they were thinking. Even the petrol variant is only 54 litres which for a car this size is still small. In comparison the Arteon is 66 litres.

The Jaguar looks nice, interior isn't bad but not as sporty/refined as the others. Looks more prestige. While the car's price isn't too bad, once you add a few options you're well above the 70k mark.

Arteon pretty much ticks all the boxes, except the wheel mouse. A diesel engine would have been great.

My question was actually going to be, what mileage are you getting out of the car on a tank? Our old CC was a TDI and would easily get 800+, so less trips to the petrol station and more steady prices. Petrol can jump up 30c in a day...

And did you consider any of those other brands?

Thanks in advance.I have a similar 206 engine on my Superb, it does around 600KM per tank.
The Arteon has a 7-speed DSG transmission, mine has 6-speed. The Arteon could be more efficient there.


Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Mr_206
04-12-2017, 10:36 AM
So this is our story...

Our 2012 CC 125TDI got rear ended last week. Thankfully the mrs is OK but the car is a write off, hence looking at new options.

The cars we have shortlisted are, in no particular order:
Arteon
Jaguar XE (or XF)
Audi A5 sportback
BMW 430 Gran Coupe



Depends what size of car your after too... the Arteon is the biggest of all of them and packed with far more tech than all the others. Sure you can tick boxes in the others but would be closer to 90-100k

hadrami
04-12-2017, 10:42 AM
I have a similar 206 engine on my Superb, it does around 600KM per tank.
The Arteon has a 7-speed DSG transmission, mine has 6-speed. The Arteon could be more efficient there.


Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

So you would be getting around 10ltrs per 100km on average?

hadrami
04-12-2017, 10:42 AM
Depends what size of car your after too... the Arteon is the biggest of all of them and packed with far more tech than all the others. Sure you can tick boxes in the others but would be closer to 90-100k

The CC was a good size, Arteon is even larger being a hatchback.

A 3 series BMW or Audi A4 just won't cut it.

Vexed
04-12-2017, 10:48 AM
So you would be getting around 10ltrs per 100km on average?That's about right... 10 -11 liters per 100 KM... I had CC TDI before this one, you won't get anything near the TDI consumption, but the 206 engine, in my opinion, is impressive... Very responsive, torquey and powerful, combine that AWD and you get a nice dynamic drive...

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Rooboy
04-12-2017, 10:52 AM
Latest issue of Wheels has a comparo test and it recorded 10.1 l/100 against a Kia Stinger at 11.6 and a Commodore SS-V at 14.7. They would be pushed a bit though.

Mr_206
04-12-2017, 10:57 AM
If your keen on the Arteon I can hook you up with my guy... Mines awaiting to be picked up.... probably end of next week or week after when im ready to take delivery!

hadrami
04-12-2017, 11:02 AM
Latest issue of Wheels has a comparo test and it recorded 10.1 l/100 against a Kia Stinger at 11.6 and a Commodore SS-V at 14.7. They would be pushed a bit though.

So based on a 66ltr tank and considerate driving, 650kms should be achievable.

hadrami
04-12-2017, 11:03 AM
If your keen on the Arteon I can hook you up with my guy... Mines awaiting to be picked up.... probably end of next week or week after when im ready to take delivery!

Can he do one with a sunroof with a 6 in front?

Mr_206
04-12-2017, 11:31 AM
Can he do one with a sunroof with a 6 in front?

Not sure, only one way to find out :)

DreamensioN
04-12-2017, 12:34 PM
Can he do one with a sunroof with a 6 in front?


Forget the 6. Go the 5cyl from the RS3 mounted sideways. :P

hadrami
04-12-2017, 01:32 PM
Forget the 6. Go the 5cyl from the RS3 mounted sideways. :P

RS3 looks nice, but definitely small and way over the budget.

DreamensioN
04-12-2017, 02:56 PM
RS3 looks nice, but definitely small and way over the budget.



Ahh ok - I see what's happened. When you said "6 in the front" - I thought you meant a 6 cylinder engine in the front (as talked about earlier in this thread). I didn't realise you meant 6 like.. $6xxxx - as in an Arteon drive away for less than $70,000. :eek:

Mr_206
04-12-2017, 03:43 PM
Ahh ok - I see what's happened. When you said "6 in the front" - I thought you meant a 6 cylinder engine in the front (as talked about earlier in this thread). I didn't realise you meant 6 like.. $6xxxx - as in an Arteon drive away for less than $70,000. :eek:


Ahhh i thought he meant driveaway under $70k (6 in front) too lol

hadrami
04-12-2017, 04:06 PM
Ahhh i thought he meant driveaway under $70k (6 in front) too lol

I do mean driveaway $6xxxx ◎[▪‿▪]◎

hadrami
04-12-2017, 04:08 PM
I think at this stage the Jag 20D in a demo XF with less than 5,000kms for around low 60s is leading the shortlist.

DreamensioN
04-12-2017, 09:09 PM
Ha! I was just re-reading through the Arteon spec sheet, and I only just now noticed it says this on page 6.

Head-Up Display projects current speed, navigation directions and driver assist systems on a retractable glass display located in the drivers field of view.

The Head-Up Display is not fully visable with polarised sunglasses

I obviously didn't read that before going for my test drive.

Ozsko
04-12-2017, 09:36 PM
I was telling my son about this and he said that it is a a problem with HUD's in general, I know the data logger on the Superkarts we raced had the same issue or rather you could see peculiar colours with sun glasses when you looked at the screen. Anyway, son tells me he hates HUD's after driving a lot of cars with them but that may just be him. Nissan tried them years ago and then gave the idea away so it will be interesting to see if it is a passing fad as rear wheel steering was when it was first introduced but with better control systems it has made a return.

Mr_206
05-12-2017, 11:02 AM
I love our HUD in the X5... very useful and the new ones are even better and show mobile phone contacts, radio stations etc in full colour in the HUD. I miss it when i dont have it

Rooboy
05-12-2017, 11:08 AM
I liked the HUD on the CX-5 Akera when I took one for a test drive - worked very well.

hadrami
05-12-2017, 11:19 AM
I love our HUD in the X5... very useful and the new ones are even better and show mobile phone contacts, radio stations etc in full colour in the HUD. I miss it when i dont have it

We test drove the Arteon with the HUD and my wife didn't like it at all, she had to sit up higher to see it and then it was actually distracting her.

Test drove a 330i this morning with the HUD which is in the windscreen and as Mr_206 said it is the latest one with radio stations, contacts, speed obviously as well as navigation turns. Very nice indeed.

DreamensioN
07-12-2017, 09:06 PM
If your keen on the Arteon I can hook you up with my guy... Mines awaiting to be picked up.... probably end of next week or week after when im ready to take delivery!

What colour did you get?

Mr_206
11-12-2017, 11:37 AM
What colour did you get?

Pyrit Silver with all options. May pick it up this weekend or next week sometime.

Interesting to note that the first lot of cars does not have the safety feature which pulls over to the side of the road switched on. Will have to get a SW update later on, not sure why?

DreamensioN
11-12-2017, 12:36 PM
Pyrit Silver with all options. May pick it up this weekend or next week sometime.

Interesting to note that the first lot of cars does not have the safety feature which pulls over to the side of the road switched on. Will have to get a SW update later on, not sure why?


Do you have any more info on this? I'm in the process of getting firm quotes for a Manganese Grey one (I finally decided to get the Arteon over the Superb) and they're trying to sell me one which is currently in stock, as oppose to one which is coming on a boat landing in January.

nermal
11-12-2017, 02:40 PM
Interesting to note that the first lot of cars does not have the safety feature which pulls over to the side of the road switched on. Will have to get a SW update later on, not sure why?

Interesting... I wonder if it hasn't received approval for AU yet?

Vexed
11-12-2017, 03:46 PM
Interesting... I wonder if it hasn't received approval for AU yet?This could be something similar to the Superb traffic jam assist... There was recall for it to update the software and enable the feature.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

dArK5HaD0w
11-12-2017, 04:14 PM
...what does the Arteon offer above the Superb Sportline? I can't see $20k of added value just in those things. Especially when the Superb includes...
- rear integrated sunshades
- Qi wireless charging
- chilled center console storage
- space to hold a tablet in the center console storage
- 5yr warranty

psst.....u forgot to mention it also comes with not one, but TWO umbrellas in the front doors!!!
plus an extra 60L of boot space with the seats up.
:cool:


wat i do like about the Arteon is its predictive cruise control (https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/The-new-Volkswagen-Arteon-Innovative-assistance-systems-in-detail--part-3-Adaptive-cruise-control-ACC-looks-ahead/view/5005443/7ce7bbb1ed184acf8bb61223ecd9d7fb?p_p_auth=9Lx0ziOp )(smarter version of acc)- where it uses camera + gps to read the road ahead, so if a turn/bend is coming up, it will slow down, and then speed back to the preset speed.
brilliant i say!!

dArK5HaD0w
11-12-2017, 04:21 PM
Interesting... I wonder if it hasn't received approval for AU yet?

i think its because of legislation in relation to the use of "autonomous vehicles" in australia.
for a car to safely pull across, potentially a multi-lane freeway or highway, it will need to change lanes by itself, safely, without cutting anyone else off the road.

so the option left is to put on the hazards and slowly stop in its own lane.
.....not that this is any safer!!

Mr_206
15-12-2017, 09:07 AM
Great work!!! I pick mine up on Wednesday! Pyrit Silver with all the options! Looking fwd to it!!

DreamensioN
15-12-2017, 09:45 AM
Great work!!! I pick mine up on Wednesday! Pyrit Silver with all the options! Looking fwd to it!!

Post some pics of yours when you get it - and if you can...especially up close of the paint. I was torn between the Silver and the Manganese Grey.

DreamensioN
15-12-2017, 08:30 PM
Here are some photos of a Manganese Grey one in sunlight. Hopefully this helps someone get an idea of the "metallic" look you get. I found it really hard to get close up photos on google image search when I was trying to decide between colours. The Tumeric Yellow looks great in the photos and online review videos, but when I saw Tumeric Yellow on a Golf in real life, it looks a lot more "mustard" (aka baby poo) than the photo-shopped promo pics you see.

I also had a hard time finding good pics of the Pyrite Silver. In the end I whittled my way down to the manganese grey.

31845

31846

31848

31849

31847

nermal
19-12-2017, 02:21 PM
Oh yeah!! I knew it was a good idea to hold off :-D

Hot VW Arteon R to get 300kW twin-turbo V6 - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/hot-vw-arteon-r-to-get-300kw-twin-turbo-v6-110259/)

EDIT: seems the devil is in the detail...


Despite the news that a hot Arteon R is on the way, the fast Volkswagen sedan might not reach Australia when global sales commence around 2019.

:facepalm:

nermal
20-12-2017, 01:39 PM
Looks like it may just come to Australia after all.. :banana:

VW Arteon R 'Good Fit' For Australia (https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/vw-arteon-r--good-fit--for-australia-116721)


Volkswagen Group Australia PR manager Kurt McGuiness said the local arm would readily embrace the new model to its line-up.

“We know our Australian customers love a performance Volkswagen, and given all locally-delivered Arteons are sporty R-Line cars, a V6 variant would be a good fit in our range. If and when such a model becomes available, we would certainly be considering it.”



And the best part of the twin-turbo 6 is that you can further tune and performance mod it (post warranty). That's a drawback to the R36 - very difficult to tweak any more out of the engine.

DreamensioN
30-12-2017, 01:17 PM
Boom!! Surprise Arteon day! I wasn't expecting it until end of Jan, and earlier this week they're like "The car has arrived - can you pick it up Saturday?"

I'm happy with the purchase. So much tech. Soooo sooooo much tech. Makes my 2011 Golf R feel a bit like an etch-a-sketch and this thing is an iPad.

31990
31989
31988

Ozsko
30-12-2017, 09:03 PM
Looks like it may just come to Australia after all.. :banana:

Based on "a report". No attribution or solid fact at all, sounds like click bait to me.

Ozsko
31-12-2017, 11:03 AM
You may well be correct bit I still think it is clickbait.

VW works out that Arteon sales aren't exactly setting the world on fire so they need to put the car out there as a talking point.

VW media rings up Drive and asks them will they do an article but they had done road tests, put it in the "best of" series they run every year so they do one with no attributable source on a few vague and unsubstantiated rumours from Europe.

Tin foil hat off and we can now resume normal programming. I would be very surprised, astounded might be a better word if the Arteon lasts more than one to two model cycles in Oz which is a shame as the car could have been so much more. VW have in a way put a noose around their own neck because they insist on using what is admittedly a very good standard interior right through the model range. If there is one thing I like about my Tiguan it is the interior, to me it is the best thing about the car and way better than any competitor but using the same interior between the Passat and the Arteon is not going to work as it hasn't done in the past with the CC.

VW to me have put what would have been to any other OEM an interior in all their cars which was suitable for cars that cost a lot more. To me the CC was a brilliant car with the four separate seats but VW never could market it world wide because it was either too expensive for the VW badge or simply not different enough. You only have to compare the responses on this forum too the car, very low key unlike the new Tiguan or even the Skoda models to see that the car is not going to have huge sales. That doesn't mean it is not a good car but marketed as a VW it won't sell.

If the bigger motor was put in the Arteon it would push it into the 80K bracket and that is serious BMW/Audi/Volvo territory and it definitely won't fly selling for that money. Funnily enough the UP! most probably suffered because of the opposite problem, VW tried to push down market and take on the Japanese and Koreans at their own game and got their nose snotted in Oz because they had to strip out of the car stuff that the Asian OEM's put in to make them more attractive. Any OEM that tries to take on VW in the area they traditionally sell in will suffer similar problems simply because VW are simply the best at the mid size performance car such as the Golf/Polo/Passat with heaps of tech in them. Toyota won't even go there, they continue to make bland white goods that sells to people who want reliable transport and are not interested in what makes it tick.

Sorry for getting carried away and thanks for reading, I did work for an OEM and can relate to some of this stuff.

DreamensioN
31-12-2017, 11:19 AM
I would be very surprised, astounded might be a better word if the Arteon lasts more than one to two model cycles in Oz which is a shame as the car could have been so much more. VW have in a way put a noose around their own neck because they insist on using what is admittedly a very good standard interior right through the model range.

^this is why I went with the Guaranteed Future Value thing VW are doing at the moment. If the Arteon tanks and nobody wants to touch it in 4yrs time - I already know what VW will buy it back for. Or if it goes the other way and the Arteon is in high demand and holds its price - then I can buy out VW and flip it privately for a small profit.

Either way I feel comfortable.

Blackpaladin67
31-12-2017, 11:41 AM
Boom!! Surprise Arteon day! I wasn't expecting it until end of Jan, and earlier this week they're like "The car has arrived - can you pick it up Saturday?"

I'm happy with the purchase. So much tech. Soooo sooooo much tech. Makes my 2011 Golf R feel a bit like an etch-a-sketch and this thing is an iPad.

31990
31989
31988Congrats on the new bus. Gotta say super impressed with mine.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Ozsko
31-12-2017, 12:00 PM
^this is why I went with the Guaranteed Future Value thing VW are doing at the moment. If the Arteon tanks and nobody wants to touch it in 4yrs time - I already know what VW will buy it back for. Or if it goes the other way and the Arteon is in high demand and holds its price - then I can buy out VW and flip it privately for a small profit.

Either way I feel comfortable.

That could be a very wise move. We looked at the same deal with the Golf PP and knocked it back because of the buy back price being very low for the time we were keeping it.

nermal
31-12-2017, 12:17 PM
Sorry, tried to add a link via mobile and it seems to have cleared my post... strange =/

Apparently, the source was a VW spokesperson:

“We’ve combined it with the last version of the Haldex, where you can provoke a bit of oversteer. This is a real agile, powerful car,” Volkswagen product spokesperson Martin Hube said. “You can beat all the Porsche Panameras out of your way!”

Yeah, who knows if it will actually make into production, or even to AU, but sounds like a compelling option...

Blackpaladin67
31-12-2017, 03:45 PM
Bits being added to my Arteon. Casue I just can't love being a Modder.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
31-12-2017, 03:47 PM
Bits being added to my Arteon. Casue I just can't love being a Modder.

Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkOopshttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/12/4dad2683326dd9f3696f9f55d696e82e-1.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/12/9a3a327a6543aba372367c1b2691724d-1.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/12/098e9370bdd25b5c5168b87c53a1b787-1.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/12/201d1d9e8796c1d0a3beb6ddb873363a-1.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/12/9f7465d8aac21b99b5248b9b3b0326a3-1.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/12/f5aff94aed4ab25f34963fc9ffde8649-1.jpg

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
31-12-2017, 05:42 PM
How do you get the R logo from the down light in the mirrors?

Blackpaladin67
01-01-2018, 08:20 AM
How do you get the R logo from the down light in the mirrors?They actually come from under the light in the door panel the red one

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
01-01-2018, 09:53 AM
i think its because of legislation in relation to the use of "autonomous vehicles" in australia.
for a car to safely pull across, potentially a multi-lane freeway or highway, it will need to change lanes by itself, safely, without cutting anyone else off the road.

so the option left is to put on the hazards and slowly stop in its own lane.
.....not that this is any safer!!Vw called the other day apologised for this feature being turned off even though its in the Australian Boucher. So asked to drop in for it too be turned on and my first real service is now free

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
01-01-2018, 12:26 PM
They actually come from under the light in the door panel the red one


Any details on where I can get this? I'd be keen to do it to my car.

DreamensioN
01-01-2018, 12:27 PM
Vw called the other day apologised for this feature being turned off even though its in the Australian Boucher. So asked to drop in for it too be turned on and my first real service is now free


I actually asked about this when I was collecting my car and the dude said it had been enabled on mine. One night soon I might go out and test it (when there's little traffic around).

Blackpaladin67
01-01-2018, 12:55 PM
Any details on where I can get this? I'd be keen to do it to my car.Heaps of different versions super 2 minute fit on ebay 322468499976


Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
01-01-2018, 12:56 PM
I actually asked about this when I was collecting my car and the dude said it had been enabled on mine. One night soon I might go out and test it (when there's little traffic around).Could be right mine was on the first boat yours may have been a different lot

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
01-01-2018, 03:07 PM
Heaps of different versions super 2 minute fit on ebay 322468499976


Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkFor VW ARTEON R LINE Led Door Light Welcome Courtesy Projectors OSRAM HD 2017 | eBay (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F32 2918566528)



Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
02-01-2018, 08:28 AM
Oh sweet! Thanks!!

Blackpaladin67
03-01-2018, 10:14 AM
Oh sweet! Thanks!!Be sure to post a pic of your final choice. I'm thinking of moving the current one on mine to the back and getting the black and red ones for the front. My cars black so going with a red highlight theme for external mods.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Rooboy
05-01-2018, 11:41 AM
Good write up on the Arteon in today's Cars Guide

DreamensioN
07-01-2018, 02:22 PM
The "rat rod" looking Arteon is in a video here:
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_rrJ1h7fxQ)

And the Werk2 Arteon is here:
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6tq3JS590Y)

Dutch77
07-01-2018, 05:23 PM
They're a good looking car - someone local just has to do some tasteful work to theirs.. :)

DreamensioN
09-01-2018, 02:36 PM
Those of you with an Arteon - what does your oil temp sit at when driving? In my Golf R, my oil temp would be around 80-95C depending on the weather. I think the Golf R has an oil cooler aswell which would help with oil temps. I've noticed in the Arteon, it's around 100C+ most of the time. I was just wondering if anybody else was seeing similar temps?

Blackpaladin67
09-01-2018, 03:15 PM
Those of you with an Arteon - what does your oil temp sit at when driving? In my Golf R, my oil temp would be around 80-95C depending on the weather. I think the Golf R has an oil cooler aswell which would help with oil temps. I've noticed in the Arteon, it's around 100C+ most of the time. I was just wondering if anybody else was seeing similar temps?105 moving went to 136 standing still the other day when it was 35c.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
09-01-2018, 06:58 PM
105-107c 30c 100-114kph 40m run

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
10-01-2018, 10:18 AM
105-107c 30c 100-114kph 40m run




Hmm ok - so about the same for me.

I get not having an oil cooler because it's not a "performance" car (like the Golf R or GTi) - but I would have thought being the same engine, they probably would have just included it in.

On another note - I'm thinking about getting the resonator removed for more exhaust noise. I can't tell the difference between having the engine noise on or off in that setting you can toggle. There's a place near me that can remove it, but put clamps on it. So if I want I can put it back on myself. I just need to get under the car to do it.

I'm thinking about it. The Golf R had a nice exhaust noise, and my car before that had a full 3" exhaust. I kind of miss the exhaust noise and I heard by removing the resonator I'll get more of the DSG fart noise and crackles/pops, but without being too loud.

Has anybody here removed the resonator from their Arteon?

Blackpaladin67
10-01-2018, 10:28 AM
Hmm ok - so about the same for me.

I get not having an oil cooler because it's not a "performance" car (like the Golf R or GTi) - but I would have thought being the same engine, they probably would have just included it in.

On another note - I'm thinking about getting the resonator removed for more exhaust noise. I can't tell the difference between having the engine noise on or off in that setting you can toggle. There's a place near me that can remove it, but put clamps on it. So if I want I can put it back on myself. I just need to get under the car to do it.

I'm thinking about it. The Golf R had a nice exhaust noise, and my car before that had a full 3" exhaust. I kind of miss the exhaust noise and I heard by removing the resonator I'll get more of the DSG fart noise and crackles/pops, but without being too loud.

Has anybody here removed the resonator from their Arteon?I can hear the fake canned noise quite clearly . Try the individual mode and tick the box. Alternatively sure i saw a post about increasing the canned volume with obd2

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
15-01-2018, 01:02 PM
So the fuel economy of this thing is pretty damn impressive.

I've just used my first tank of fuel, and look how far I got with it.
Imgur: The magic of the Internet (https://imgur.com/a/n4SVF)

The KM on the right is the total KM the car has done. The one of the left is since leaving the dealership where it had a full tank.

I haven't been driving this in economy mode either. Just normally, and even playing around with sport mode a bit.

The manual says the tank is 66 litres, and when I filled up this morning I put in 61 litres. There are 2 red markers for the fuel when it gets to empty, and one of them is covered up with the white marker in the pic. So basically...in this pic I've just touched on the first red marker (which means I'd be expecting the fuel warning light to come up on any second.

Still - this is above and beyond what the Golf R would do. In the Golf I was getting 550-580km out of a tank which I thought was pretty good. This is almost like a diesel in terms of distance vs volume of fuel used.

Blackpaladin67
15-01-2018, 01:32 PM
Mate I've got 4500km and getting circa 950km going up and down to GC to Bris and around the neighborhood..fantastic economy for such a large car. Get the mod which tells you how many litres are in the tank..

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
19-01-2018, 11:06 AM
Good review if somewhat inaccurate. They comment negatively on features which can be simply turned off like the roof ambient night light and then state its got a 230v power socket in the rear console . Well mine does not have one.
Volkswagen Arteon 2018 Review
Successor to the CC embraces sportier driving characteristics without conceding comfort or touring ability
To read the full article please visit:
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/reviews/2018/Family/Volkswagen/Arteon/volkswagen-arteon-2018-review-110606




Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

dArK5HaD0w
20-01-2018, 03:48 PM
The manual says the tank is 66 litres, and when I filled up this morning I put in 61 litres.

the Superb also has a 66L tank, according to the books, however many many times I've filled close to 70L when I've got approx. 20km left!!

Blackpaladin67
20-01-2018, 03:56 PM
the Superb also has a 66L tank, according to the books, however many many times I've filled close to 70L when I've got approx. 20km left!!Depends on the temperature of the fuel can vary the amount quite a surprising amount

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
20-01-2018, 04:00 PM
Depends on the temperature of the fuel can vary the amount quite a surprising amount

Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkUse the app Petrol Spy to get the best fuel price like 5km drive and save 20c a litre on 98. Even though its novated and i have the choice of Shell,BP,Caltex hate getting ripped off on fuel.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
20-01-2018, 04:03 PM
Todays mod can ya spot it ?http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/01/6ed1ed3c921c79ff5c027b07daff2b92-1.jpg

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
21-01-2018, 11:19 AM
and then state its got a 230v power socket in the rear console . Well mine does not have one.


OMG check it! You do have one!!
32553

Mine had a plastic plate over it - I pulled it off (it was like double sided taped down), and there is a European 230v socket there. And it works!! You need the engine running to get power.

Just grab a European to AU adapter like this.
32554

DreamensioN
21-01-2018, 11:23 AM
Todays mod can ya spot it ?


oh what!?! So it can do multiple colours! Is that a VCDS change?

Blackpaladin67
21-01-2018, 01:57 PM
OMG check it! You do have one!!
32553

Mine had a plastic plate over it - I pulled it off (it was like double sided taped down), and there is a European 230v socket there. And it works!! You need the engine running to get power.

Just grab a European to AU adapter like this.
32554Nice pickup I'm off to buy a euro adaptor on ebay.


Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
21-01-2018, 02:01 PM
oh what!?! So it can do multiple colours! Is that a VCDS change?Nup the 10 light colours can be done via your system check my post on led lights. The change is in fact stainless trims around the clock and aircon vents controls left and right

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Blackpaladin67
21-01-2018, 05:15 PM
Nup the 10 light colours can be done via your system check my post on led lights. The change is in fact stainless trims around the clock and aircon vents controls left and right

Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkWhy they would hide it and not advertise such features is mind boggling ?

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
04-02-2018, 01:53 PM
For anybody that's Brisbane based - I've created the major radio station logos in the correct format to display on the head unit.
Grab the zip here: Dropbox - Brisbane_Radio_Logos.zip (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xivr6u50el0z53/Brisbane_Radio_Logos.zip?dl=0)

Blackpaladin67
04-02-2018, 02:25 PM
Handy thanks.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

DreamensioN
04-02-2018, 08:52 PM
Ok so... on my wife's MY18 Superb, she can kick under the car to open the boot, and then kick it again to close it. In the Arteon, it's only kick to open.

Anybody know if there's a way to change it so it's kick to close aswell?

Jap
05-02-2018, 02:53 AM
Ok so... on my wife's MY18 Superb, she can kick under the car to open the boot, and then kick it again to close it. In the Arteon, it's only kick to open.

Anybody know if there's a way to change it so it's kick to close aswell? as all the doors are normally under central electronics module I’d say you’d have to have a look round in that, (also translate from German)

Rocket36
06-02-2018, 11:24 AM
Does anybody know if there's a way to change the automatic stop/start so it defaults to "Off" when you turn on the ignition?

I couldn't agree more. My god this needs to be configurable to user preference!!! So annoying.

doc_777
06-02-2018, 12:43 PM
Auto start/stop can't be configured to default off, because it is part of the spec which gets the vehicle its emissions rating.

Rocket36
06-02-2018, 01:15 PM
Auto start/stop can't be configured to default off, because it is part of the spec which gets the vehicle its emissions rating.

ahhhhhhhhh of course. that makes sense. dang nappit!

DreamensioN
06-02-2018, 08:02 PM
Auto start/stop can't be configured to default off, because it is part of the spec which gets the vehicle its emissions rating.

There's a dieselgate joke in there somewhere... :P

Rocket36
06-02-2018, 10:47 PM
There's a dieselgate joke in there somewhere... :P

"Dieselgate" was a joke. I actually agree with how they did it. They were told to pass a test, they did. So effing what?

Jap
08-02-2018, 04:43 AM
"Dieselgate" was a joke. I actually agree with how they did it. They were told to pass a test, they did. So effing what?
As if the others don’t do it, merc use a pump to blow air down the exhaust to create less nasties to volume, wouldn’t say that’s a ethical fix