Golf 2 Shipments to Australia

[syncro]

Does anyone have any information on how many Golf 2 GTI shipments came to Australia? As far as I know there was a shipment in 1990 and a later one in 1990 or maybe 1991. Most of the Golfs that I have seen are 1990s of which some were not sold until 1992.

Are there anything other than 1990 GTIs here?

[Satanstoenail]

I've been wondering that myself, I've been told it was 250, someone else told me 200, and last week I was told 120 (Mk 2's sent here). Dunno how many shipments though. I'd like to know which (if any) of these figures is right...

[alex g]

i have heard the magic 250 number as well but i am sure there is way more, i still see gti's i havent seen before on the road

[Tim]

yeah they cant be that rare. I see heaps of Mk2 GTIs getting about melbourne. I have seen 1 or two non GTIs. not sure if they were locally delivered cars or not tho. I think there were a couple non GTIs werent there?

[alex g]

yer gl s are much rarer

[syncro]

yeah they cant be that rare. I see heaps of Mk2 GTIs getting about melbourne. I have seen 1 or two non GTIs. not sure if they were locally delivered cars or not tho. I think there were a couple non GTIs werent there?
All were GTIs. 1990 or maybe 1991 model.

[Golf Loon]

All were GTIs. 1990 or maybe 1991 model.

Yeah but they had 5 doors and came from South Africa. I think they were just getting rid of runout stock before the Mk3 came in. The Aussie GTIs are lower spec that the UK cars. I think they are rebaged gls or ryders rather than true GTIs. (sorry)

I have heard 300 cars from a few sources and 2 shipments I think.

I also see heaps of private imports about and there must have been a company bringing them from South Africa in the 80s cos there are lots of them.

[syncro]

Yeah but they had 5 doors and came from South Africa. I think they were just getting rid of runout stock before the Mk3 came in. The Aussie GTIs are lower spec that the UK cars. I think they are rebaged gls or ryders rather than true GTIs. (sorry)

I have heard 300 cars from a few sources and 2 shipments I think.

I also see heaps of private imports about and there must have been a company bringing them from South Africa in the 80s cos there are lots of them.

All of the GTIs sold here were made in Germany.
Definately less than 300 were brought in. I have an idea there may have been 150.
A lot of immigrants came from South Africa in the early 90s and they brought their cars with them. (They probably heard that we had the gutless ones here!)
I wouldn't say that they were lower spec than the UK cars, just lower performance. The UK/Euro spec engine did not meet our pollution laws.
The insurance here was definately GTI. Maybe they would have sold more of them if they called them GLIs?

How about some replies from Aussie Golf 2 owners with your build date?
It is on the firewall on a small plate not the compliance plate

[Golf Loon]

Even Vin Numbers if anyone has em and then we can tell what factory they came out of.

I have owned 3 Mk2s in Oz and they were all South African!

[joshyd-mk2gti]

my build date is 06/90, complied in 10/90 and first registered in 1991.

does anyone have the website where you type in the vin number and it tells you where it was made? i think i remember mine being built in Wolfburg.

[Satanstoenail]

My build date is 08/90, compliance plate says 01/92, so I'd gather it was registered around then?

[moto]

Mine is build 1991 (from memory July) registered January 1992.
I used to buy a few VWs in those days and often used to shoot the breeze with the dealer about cars in general and VW in particular. He told me the number 150 also. I read subsequently (might have been in Wheels) the number 200. My information is from conversations I had then with the dealer.

There weren't many GTIs imported. They were brought in at the time when the importers changed and the new importer was anxious to reposition the brand in preparation for a relaunch of the Golf. The GTI legend had reached these shores even though for some years we'd only been getting VW vans. The new importer also had distribution contracts for VW in SE Asia and the cars we got here were Japanese spec. Mine is German build and I thought they all were. In fact, the model was a dog. It couldn't be sold and the last 50 or so in Sydney were registered by dealers and cleared as second hand cars. The automags all agreed the car handled as sweetly as any GTI but the engine mods killed it. Next off the rank was the Mk1 cabriolet

Our cars had the RV engine. It was modified to run on low octane fuel and to run as a clean engine. The mods were dreadful. Even when new it was rough, rattly at idle and it would just choke to death between 3500 rpm and 4000 rpm. It wouldn't redline in any gear. With its close ratio gearbox and high first gear my wife at the time considered it an undrivable slug. In recognition of the problems, our cars had a different camshaft intended to give more torque lower down.
Most of the detox mods were in the exhaust area. They started with a different exhaust manifold and they got worse after that. I was told the problem VW needed to solve was to get the catalytic converter temperature up to the necessary level from a cold start within a delay dictated by the ADRs, without spending any money. They achieved that by choking the gasses after they left the head using bits cobbled from the parts bin.
In my experience, reversing the detoxing by changing the exhaust, transforms the car. At one time I bought a new GTI camshaft from a dealer in France and tried it in the de-detoxed car. In my view the Australian one is a beauty. The one in the local car lets the engine spin every bit as hard, but it has lots more low down and mid range torque, so it spins the speedo round much quicker with less drama. The local camshaft get 5.4 litres/100 on country run and 6.3 around town and can run away from 6 cylinder Holdens and Fords all day long. With the European camshaft the car isn't quicker but fuel consumption varies between just under 8 and just under 10 litres/100. Matters quite a bit these days.
Cheers

[brackie]

The local camshaft get 5.4 litres/100 on country run and 6.3 around town and can run away from 6 cylinder Holdens and Fords all day long. Cheers
Man... these are diesel figures! Are you sure???

[syncro]

Even Vin Numbers if anyone has em and then we can tell what factory they came out of.

I have owned 3 Mk2s in Oz and they were all South African!

You had proper ones, not Australian imports.

WVWzzz19zGW348378

WVW=VW Germany Passenger car
19=Early Golf 2 Type 19 (Later Golf 2 was 1G)
G=1986 model (L=1990 model)
W=Made in Wolfsburg Germany (U=Uitenhage South Africa)
348378=serial number

[moto]

Man... these are diesel figures! Are you sure???

Isn't everyone getting numbers like these?

[Golf Loon]

Isn't everyone getting numbers like these?

Yeah that doesnt sound unreasonable, they are great cars, you can flog it like a race car, or drive sensibly and get good mpg. I agree with what you have written, but would add that PULP makes a noticeable difference to performance and economy. Also the gearbox, as not all are created equal, which will affect acceleration.

[Golf Loon]

Jetta VIN is AVZZZ16ZG002327
Slightly different format.

[syncro]

Jetta VIN is AVZZZ16ZG002327
Slightly different format.

Format is standard worldwide.
There is a letter missing as there should be a group of three, WAU= VW SA
16= Jetta
G=1986

[Golf Loon]

I thought there was a number missing.I copied that no from the papers. Its a good thing the RTA are never wrong.

[syncro]

At one stage I had 4 cars and they were all wrong!

[rowan_bris]

My Silver one is 8/90 and complianced 1/92. I have a white one arriving on Thursday and will add that then

[evorobin]

Lets not forget the lower compression of the japan/oz one

[mrgolf]

Anyone with a south efrican one or a Australian sold one is unfortunate. The german built private imports are best... arent they evo???

I have on good authority (several magazine articles) that 200 GTI's were imported and sold locally. There are about twice that many Mk2s in Australia, with the remaining coming from SA, and Germany. The other are either genuine GTI's or GL/CL pov pack models. Some are diesel powered.

As for economy, I am getting around 30-35mpg (imperial) combined cycle according to my MFA. I calculate it at about 9L/100. On the highway, I get around 38-40mpg, or 6.5-7.5mpg.... 5.anything sounds like a trip on the highway at 60kmh in 5th with an overdrive box, not at higway speed with a GTI box...

[rowan_bris]

I have just got my second Mark II and it is complianced 2/92 and built 8/90 and has only 68,000 klms on it. It just needs some more power, some springs and shocks and an exhaust. Are there off the shelf extractors that are any good and available that anyone knows of? I have had an exhaust built but would prefer to just buy the downpipes / manifold part!

[mrgolf]

Mate, forget about extractors. The euro manifold (not sure about Aus spec manifold) pumps gasses out faster than extractors. Run twin downpipes all the way back to just past where the gearlever is, and then go into one pipe. This gives better torque. Other than that, a cam and cam gear might free up some power....

[syncro]

Mate, forget about extractors. The euro manifold (not sure about Aus spec manifold) pumps gasses out faster than extractors. ..

Aussie spec (Digifant) loses most of the power with the crap manifold. The Euro one is the way to go.

[Golfwise]

Lets not forget the lower compression of the japan/oz one
I don't believe the compression is any different on the mk2s the cabrios had lower compression though.

[syncro]

I don't believe the compression is any different on the mk2s the cabrios had lower compression though.
I think you're correct with that. We need to send that one to mythbusters along with the 1992 GTIs.

[Golfwise]

I believe the import figue was 296 I think Steve can help here .

[syncro]

I believe the import figue was 296 I think Steve can help here . Definately not that many.

[Golf Loon]

My Silver one is 8/90 and complianced 1/92. I have a white one arriving on Thursday and will add that then

Sounds like one that was sitting around waiting to be sold.

What was the compression of the cabrios then Golfwise?

[syncro]

GTI=10.0:1
Cabrio=9.00:1

[Golf Loon]

What engine code would those cabs be? surely an ideal motor to turbo?

[mrgolf]

I believe the biggest difference between the euro heads and Japanese/ Australian spec heads were the big valves, which were absent due to emissions... VW couldnt afford to pump money into the 16V or the euro 8V to produce a decent outcome with emissions being as they were only just re-entering the market. The Japanese motor was a quick cheap easy fix, and lets face it, in 1990 when the decision was made, the GTI didnt have too much competition locally....

[moto]

I believe the biggest difference between the euro heads and Japanese/ Australian spec heads were the big valves

Heads and valves were the same. There was probably some tweaking to the management system because the Au cars will run happily on 91 octane ULP - thats all we had in 1990-1.

Has anyone else changed the exhaust manifold and system?

[aussieg60]

I have not changed the manifold but have got a Jetex cat back stainless exhaust. I have the ecu rechip in the RV motor and a K&N filter. Performance was better but not great more noticeable when weather is cool. Some occassion's it even spun the wheel when changing from 2nd to 3rd, but on a flat road.

My MK2's build date is 08/90 first registered by me 05/92.
VIN WVWzzz1GzLWxxxxxx

Is it only power that makes a true GTI, not the chassis ?

[Golf Loon]

[QUOTE=moto]Heads and valves were the same. There was probably some tweaking to the management system because the Au cars will run happily on 91 octane ULP - thats all we had in 1990-1.[QUOTE]

I reckon the euro cars had bigger valves than the aussie cars.

[Golf Loon]

Is it only power that makes a true GTI, not the chasis ?

Its the chassis number.
Purists will also argue that anything with 4 or 5 doors cant be a GTI.

[mrgolf]

As if VW didnt treat GTI's t o a bit of extra care when they were being built. Thats like saying R32's get built the same as a 1.6 pov pack MkV... Actually, I am only guessing. I wonder how much of this is true.

I still reckon the Aussie ones had smaller valves... the difference is pretty huge between the euro GTI's and the Australian ones.... The latter just wont breathe....

[syncro]

I still reckon the Aussie ones had smaller valves... the difference is pretty huge between the euro GTI's and the Australian ones.... The latter just wont breathe....

I think they were the same.
Could easily check if I had some engine numbers.
Remember it had a completely different injection system.

[mrgolf]

Isnt it Digifant? I thought it was digifant with a smaller valve head for emissions. The head would be the biggest difference with emissions, so it makes sense...

[syncro]

Yes digifant.
As far as I know there is only one size of valves for GTIs.
I need the engine numbers for a K-Jet and an Aussie Digifant to check.

[mrgolf]

Around 86-87, the Euro GTI's went to Digifant....

[syncro]

As if VW didnt treat GTI's t o a bit of extra care when they were being built. Thats like saying R32's get built the same as a 1.6 pov pack MkV... Actually, I am only guessing. I wonder how much of this is true.
....
They came off the same line, built by the same people:?

[Golf Loon]

I havent got a digi head off the car, so cant take pics of both.
The kjet uk spec cars had 38mm inlet valves. This is the same as 2L audi and Mk3s.
I reckon the digifant valves were smaller. If you put a kjet head onto a digifant motor, you get more power.

[syncro]

Around 86-87, the Euro GTI's went to Digifant....

Depends which country. I think it was later than that.

[syncro]

my build date is 06/90, complied in 10/90 and first registered in 1991.
Can you check that build date again that it is not 08/90?



does anyone have the website where you type in the vin number and it tells you where it was made? i think i remember mine being built in Wolfburg.

Yeah here:)

So far we have 4 8/90 builds and 1 6/90.
No confirmed 91s yet.

[Golf Loon]

Tell us the website.
I reckon anything after 1990 had just been on the shelf for a while.
Post 1990 the writing was on the wall and VW were gearing up for the Mk3.
Thats why I believe they dumped the 1990-1992 Mk2 on the Aussie Market.

[syncro]

Isnt it Digifant? I thought it was digifant with a smaller valve head for emissions. The head would be the biggest difference with emissions, so it makes sense...
Why?

Digifant (Aussie type) is electronically controlled with a cat and oxygen sensor, knock control for third world fuels.

Kjet is mechanical injection and more for performance and has been in Golf GTIs since 1976 with little change.

RV Engine (Aussie Digifant) + EV,RD,PB (K-Jet)
Inlet valve 048 109 601A
Ex valve 053 109 611

These parts are the same from Golf 2 start to finish.

[crazygee]

All of the GTIs sold here were made in Germany.
Definately less than 300 were brought in. I have an idea there may have been 150.
A lot of immigrants came from South Africa in the early 90s and they brought their cars with them. (They probably heard that we had the gutless ones here!)
I wouldn't say that they were lower spec than the UK cars, just lower performance. The UK/Euro spec engine did not meet our pollution laws.
The insurance here was definately GTI. Maybe they would have sold more of them if they called them GLIs?

How about some replies from Aussie Golf 2 owners with your build date?
It is on the firewall on a small plate not the compliance plate
see attachment

[syncro]

What attachment?

[Golf Loon]

Yeah George, are you crazy? Where is this mythical attachment?

[evorobin]

Haven't read most of this thread but my PB engined 8v is an 88 and was the first year digi (2) was released as far as I know. Believe the US market ran a digi 16v but Europe stayed with K-jet for the life of the mk2.

SEE THIS LINK FOR ANSWERS APPARENTLY (http://mysite.verizon.net/janvdb/vw/Engine/knock_sensor)

[Golf Loon]

I also thought there were no digi 16vs in the UK, but carpoid said he owned one!

[syncro]

I also thought there were no digi 16vs in the UK, but carpoid said he owned one!

I'm not sure, but I thought there were no Golf 2 digifants, just K and KE (the electronic K)

[Satanstoenail]

What about g60's? Are there any in Oz at all?

[syncro]

What about g60's? Are there any in Oz at all?
A couple of engines are here.

[Golf Loon]

I'm not sure, but I thought there were no Golf 2 digifants, just K and KE (the electronic K)

There are heaps of digi golf, but 16v digis. I dunno.

[MK2 GTI]

Mine is 6/90 build date and 10/90 compliance.

[syncro]

So far it looks like there were two shipments 6/90 and 8/90.

Looks like all of the Australian ones are 1990 models. (WVWzzz1GzLW................)

[moto]

Two shipments is probably right.
WVWZZZ1GZLW757680 Built 1991 First Registered 1992

All the later 8V (worldwide) cars were digifont but there were two varieties of Digifont. Digi 2 (which came first) and Digi1 (which came last - of course). We got Digi1.

[syncro]

Two shipments is probably right.
WVWZZZ1GZLW757680 Built 1991 First Registered 1992


That's a 1990 build. L=1990 M=1991

[aussieg60]

Two shipments is probably right.
WVWZZZ1GZLW757680 Built 1991 First Registered 1992

All the later 8V (worldwide) cars were digifont but there were two varieties of Digifont. Digi 2 (which came first) and Digi1 (which came last - of course). We got Digi1.

I dont think Digifant 2 was first, Digifant 1 is used in the G60 and some 8V. Someone may confirm this here, but as far as I know the Australian deliveries were Digifant 2

[aprr32]

I heard it was just 243 cars, a lot of expense to comply that many cars!

[syncro]

I have just found an old workshop bulletin from TKM which states that 267 Golf 2 GTIs were imported into Australia.

[static1800]

looks like we can finally settle on a number then, wonder hoy many are still kicking around.

[phaeton]

I have just found an old workshop bulletin from TKM which states that 267 Golf 2 GTIs were imported into Australia.


Phill do you have the breakdown from Year to Year ?

[syncro]

Phill do you have the breakdown from Year to Year ?

All brought in 1990. Some were 1990 models and some were 1991 models (built after July 1990).

[phaeton]

All brought in 1990. Some were 1990 models and some were 1991 models (built after July 1990).

Cool I'll add it to the Sales thread.

Thanks for info Phill ;)

EDIT were any sold in 1992 ?

[syncro]

EDIT were any sold in 1992 ?
Yes, lots! But they were delivered in 1990.

[Shortstuff]

I'm not sure, but I thought there were no Golf 2 digifants, just K and KE (the electronic K)

I thought the engine code for K-jet 8v was DX, but I may well be wrong! My 1988 PB engined 8v GTI (UK car) was Digifant. Never heard of a Digifant 16v though.

[static1800]

mine is an August 90 build and August 91 compliance, so could well have been sold in 92.

[static1800]

we only got 8v digi over here. Mine is an RV code. I believe there is a 16v digi in the US.

[h100vw]

DX is the very early MK2 1800 with solid tappets, also fitted in the 1800 mk1s.

EV is the Kjet 1800 MK2 motor with hydraulic tappets.

The spams didn't get a digifant MK2 16V to the best of my considerable knowledge ;). What they had was the 9A motor which had KE-motronic. This system is basically a posh K-jet. The ECU is one that you can chip unlike the KR, it has twin knock sensors and a lambda probe which allows the ECU to keep the mixture under control for the emissions.

It is pretty clever in the way that it does this. In K-jet there is the control pressure regulator/warm up regulator which richens the mixture during cold starts.

On the 9A the CPR/WUR is not fitted and it's job is done by a small valve on the side of the metering head. This has the ability to alter the control pressure up and down and thus change the mixture electrically.

The 9A was also fitted to the Corrado and Passat, it had a cat and a softer inlet cam.

This motor was superceeded by ABF which came to Australia in the Ibiza.
Gavin

[syncro]

I think we had the 9A in the '91 Passat.

[20vkitcar]

phil you are correct in all you say...I sold these cars new ..there were only 2 shipments and they werent dumped in australia..we had to fight tooth and nail to get a good price off the germans....correct re emission control thru the manifold....using a later 2.0 golf mk3 manifold changes these cars dramatically as do the air intake and adjustable cam gear....phil we sold 91 gti's in 92 we also had a very rare last minute cabrio order in 92/93 as the germans gave us a very good deal on the last run. the only way to really know your year model is via a chassis number exactly as phil described....did you also know we retro fitted Oettinger kit's to these cars (3 only) at importer level in a vain attempt to improve preformance....TKM knocked in on the head as all gti were going to be retrofitted with this kit...will try and find a bit of trivia re mk2 gti's aussie style....cheers steve

[anarchycamp]

I am going to check out a 5dr Mk2 GTI in the next week or so, if i get the VIN, where can I find out where it was built etc?

Am pretty sure its Seth Frican but interested none the less.

[syncro]

I am going to check out a 5dr Mk2 GTI in the next week or so, if i get the VIN, where can I find out where it was built etc?

Am pretty sure its Seth Frican but interested none the less.

WAU..................... Sth Efrikn
WVW...................... Deutschland

[Golf Loon]

I am going to check out a 5dr Mk2 GTI in the next week or so, if i get the VIN, where can I find out where it was built etc?

Am pretty sure its Seth Frican but interested none the less.

Some of the South African private imports are kjet with the solid lifter motor and go heaps harder than the aussie cars. Good buyin imo

[syncro]

Some of the South African private imports are kjet with the solid lifter motor and go heaps harder than the aussie cars. Good buyin imo

Grammatical error there Matt.

"All of the K-Jet motors go harder than the Australian cars."


The engines are German, but the bodies are crap. And if you think the German VWs are hard to get parts for:???:

[Golf Loon]

Grammatical error there Matt.

"All of the K-Jet motors go harder than the Australian cars."

I was trying to be tactful Phil :D

[syncro]

In Germany, the Digifant Golfs have a much better resale value than the K-Jets, as rego is lots cheaper. They are hard to find there as they were not big sellers due to the performance, and they were more expensive.

[evorobin]

Rumour has it Zac is selling my 8v digi motor (only 60K on it) and throwing in a free mk1 :D

[golfmeup]

This is great reading.

I always believed there were only 250 German GTi's imported , so I was close!!

I dont have the full Vin number of mine but i know its a WVW beginning,

So thats german build...

So sounds like a trip to the mechanics to install a few bolt on parts to free up some extra HP msy be in order..

:)

[moto]

if Bentley can be trusted - and I'm sure they're quoting official figures - the RV motor came with 40mm exhaust valves and 33 mm inlets. (engine section Pg27). That is this was the big valve motor.

Bentley also quotes compression figures for RV engines as 10:1 (i.e. the high compression engine)

Bently quotes SAE horsepower for the RV at 100hp at 5400rpm. So 5hp shy of the PF engine at the same engine speed. (most powerful of the normally aspirated Mk11 8 valves).

The RV was running catalytic converter etc. The PF wasn't. That's where the essential issue lies.

I think its a safe bet that the RV engine differs from the most powerful of the Mk11 8vs by 5hp only because of the emission management it had to carry. Not because of anything intrinsically different in the design and build. And anyway a 5% power loss to meet the regulations was actually a pretty decent achievement.

An extra problem VW faced here in Australia though was there was no high octane fuel in this country for a 10.1 big valve engine to run on. Some tinkering had to be done to detune the engine enough to cope with the lousy fuel situation. I'm only guessing, but this seems to have been achieved by retarding the default engine timing. Advancing it a little seems to work.

Finally (I was told at the time) ADRs required the cat to reach operating temperature faster than could be achieved with the the standard RV exhaust. Therefore the exhaust was deliberately restricted. So chucking the exhaust also works - providing you chuck it for something better.

For those who have done these things and are still disappointed, the answer is to take a really fast drive across the continent to Darwin and back and teach the management system how you want it to work. It learns. (but it forgets if you get lazy later).

Its a long stretch, in my view, to think VW would do a special run of customised RV engines just to supply a market as small as this was. 200 or so cars is barely more than an hour's production. It would not be worth the setup and messing around. Its even more speculative to guess they would produce a custom engine and then not give it a unique code. That would be crazy. I think the best guess is that the RV we got is the same as all the other RVs except for the local fiddles to the exhaust and perhaps timing and default management settings.

When the GTI was launched here the importers tried to make a story of it but the sad truth was the model was at the end of its days, the Japs had the ground covered for a fraction of the money with much newer models and the detuning was a hopelessly botched job. (Thank heavens we dont have ADRs to control the aircraft that can land here. Imagine).

But VW were not alone botching the job of getting a hot hatch on the ground here against the oriental competition. The first Peugeot 205 GTIs that came here did not have a GTI engine and they had drum brakes! At least our GTI was capable of being retro modified to turn it back into the real thing.

And the real thing is pretty marvelous. The 8v Mk11 (in its real costume) was quite a bit quicker than twin cam Alfas of the day and lots of other things. Even today I'm often surprised at its speed especially top end speed. On highway driving it gives nothing away to 200 hp locals. But thats not the point for me. The point is its an historic icon and I just love to drive it. I really don't care if once upon a time it wouldn't pull the skin off custard. It will now and its still delightfully young and agile in an age of increasingly silly automotive fantasies. amen

[evorobin]

So 5hp shy of the PF engine at the same engine speed. (most powerful of the normally aspirated Mk11 8 valves).

That would be the 112hp PB. Whats the PF?

[brackie]

That account is a delight to see, Moto. Well written and answers a lot of questions. That's the sort of thing I like to see :)

[static1800]

That would be the 112hp PB. Whats the PF?

the pf is just like the RV runs digi2 but think it lacks all the emission junk we got over here.

[moto]

That would be the 112hp PB. Whats the PF?

I just checked for this but Bentley gives no listing for a PB engine or for any 112hp engine.
The Bentley reference table I'm looking at is on Pg6 of the Engine section.

The only 112 hp engines I know of were in Mk1s. The last of them (the 1800) was a DX engine. The very early Mk2s produced in 1985 did come with mechanical valve gear like the Mk1. Is it possible PB engines were a small batch of surplus Mk1 engines supplied to a specific market just to clear them? Its strange Bentley doesn't list it.

[william]

That account is a delight to see, Moto. Well written and answers a lot of questions. That's the sort of thing I like to see :)

i second that very informative this discusion has been goin for ages nice to see these questions answered properly good stuff

[syncro]

I just checked for this but Bentley gives no listing for a PB engine or for any 112hp engine.
The Bentley reference table I'm looking at is on Pg6 of the Engine section.

The only 112 hp engines I know of were in Mk1s. The last of them (the 1800) was a DX engine. The very early Mk2s produced in 1985 did come with mechanical valve gear like the Mk1. Is it possible PB engines were a small batch of surplus Mk1 engines supplied to a specific market just to clear them? Its strange Bentley doesn't list it.

The 112hp engines were K-Jet not Digifant and ran throughout most years.

[aussieg60]

According to ETKA

PB 82KW Digifant
PF 79KW Digifant
RV 77KW Digifant

I will see if I can do a dump of all the engine prefixes and ratings ;) possibly with VIN

[h100vw]

The 112hp engines were K-Jet not Digifant and ran throughout most years.

PB is the engine that the UK got in it's GTIs. From about 86 through til the end. 112BHP same as the mk1 DX and the MK2 kjet EV.

Gavin

[evorobin]

The 112hp engines were K-Jet not Digifant and ran throughout most years.

Syncro when people (poms) that have owned this engine post about it you're going out on a limb to disagree mate.

[aliasmk2]

PB is the engine that the UK got in it's GTIs. From about 86 through til the end. 112BHP same as the mk1 DX and the MK2 kjet EV.

Gavin
I thought that the EV engine was used up until 1987

my old EV engine was made in 1987 (it was a cracker) & came from a car that was wrecked in Germany
So did they have more than one prefix code going at once eg differnt countries= different prefix

[moto]

So did EV/PB use hydraulic valve gear or were they a direct carry over from the mark 1 (ie manual adjustment)?

[evorobin]

Digi injection started in 88

[syncro]

Syncro when people (poms) that have owned this engine post about it you're going out on a limb to disagree mate.

How many poms have had a Digifant GTI?

Sounds like some of the poms are a bit like the seppos. If it didn't happen in the UK, it didn't happen!:D

[Golf Loon]

How many poms have had a Digifant GTI?



Millions :?

[syncro]

Millions :?

So they had slugs too?
Most of the ones that I've seen were K-Jets.

[golfmeup]

I just checked for this but Bentley gives no listing for a PB engine or for any 112hp engine.
The Bentley reference table I'm looking at is on Pg6 of the Engine section.

The only 112 hp engines I know of were in Mk1s. The last of them (the 1800) was a DX engine. The very early Mk2s produced in 1985 did come with mechanical valve gear like the Mk1. Is it possible PB engines were a small batch of surplus Mk1 engines supplied to a specific market just to clear them? Its strange Bentley doesn't list it.

I did a trawl and found out from a Corrado club in Canadahttp://www.corrado-club.ca/tech/vwecucodes.htm

The PB was a
Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve
engine
Years- 88-89
Notes- KEN Digifant II
Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve (PB)

88-90
KEN Digifant II

Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve (PB)

88-90
KEN Digifant II

Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve

88-90
KEN Digifant II

Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve

89-90
Siemens Digifant II

Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve

88-90
KEN Digifant II

Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve (PB)

88-90
KEN Digifant II

Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve (PB)

90 on
Bosch Digifant II

Golf GTi 1.8 litre 8 Valve (PB)

90 on
Bosch Digifant II

[evorobin]

Most of the ones that I've seen were K-Jets.

Well if you moved from the UK at the start of 1988 that would explain it...

[DOHCDAVE]

I've got an EV under the bench and it has hyd lifters and went like mad and was k-jet originaly, now ....... it's in bits..

i'm running the pl 16v in the golf now and i believe it also was orig k-jet, and it flies, just lacks a little hp up high.
detuned kr i hear with the only diff being the inlet cam.

Dave

______________
MK1 GOLF 16v

[aussieg60]

Dumped from ETKA, maybe too much clutter in this post ?

Year 85 Engine Codes
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/85_EC.jpg

Trans Codes 85
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/85_TC.jpg

VIN 85
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/85_VIN.jpg

[aussieg60]

Engine Codes 86
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/86_EC.jpg

Trans Codes 86
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/86_TC.jpg

VIN 86
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/86_VIN.jpg

[aussieg60]

Engine Codes 87
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/87_EC_1.jpg
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/87_EC_2.jpg
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/87_EC_3.jpg

Trans Codes 87
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/87_TC.jpg

[aussieg60]

VIN 87
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/87_VIN.jpg

Engine Codes 88
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/88_EC_1.jpg
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/88_EC_2.jpg
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/88_EC_3.jpg

[aussieg60]

Trans Codes 88
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/88_TC.jpg

VIN 88
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/88_VIN.jpg

Engine Codes 89
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/89_EC.jpg

Trans Codes 89
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/89_TC.jpg

[aussieg60]

VIN 89
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/89_VIN.jpg

Engine Codes 90
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/90_EC.jpg

Trans Coded 90
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/90_TC.jpg

VIN 90 - 92
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/90_VIN.jpg

[aussieg60]

http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/90_VIN_91.jpg
http://www.mygroovebox.com/gti/etkadump/90_VIN_92.jpg

I always thought the KR was 102KW, didnt appear in Etka :?

Now I suppose we are all off the original topic :rolleyes:

[Golf Loon]

I thought KR was 139 Hp.

[evorobin]

yeah 139 horses

edit. Loon got there first LOL