2010 T5 Transporter Engine needs Rebuild

[fullcirc]

Hi guys! New to the group and have come across this group while researching a major issue with my pride and joy my beloved 2010 T5 transporter Auto Diesel TDI. Has served me well till now and done 210,000klms

Whilst driving recently the serpentine belt on my T5 snapped taking out the timing (not breaking the belt) and doing a lot of major damage to the engine...
The mechanic has established that the Serpentine breaking has taken out the Timing and caused this all. Basically just as bad as timing belt breaking. Somehow the broken belt has got inside the timing area and knocked the timing out bending the valves. No compression. Nightmare!!!! Apparently after researching this it is a major fault with this engine... That I now find out... Vehicle unfortunately out of warranty and now looking at a full rebuild. Thanks VW for this design fault!

Quote for $6000 from a mechanic hasn't really made my day. Any help with any of these below questions would be great!

1. Basically would love some advice on whether this is worth the dollars to rebuild this engine? Knowing I can get the all the parts for less than $2000 is it really a Labour job of $4000? Not knowing enough about cars, is this reasonable.

2. Does anyone know a reasonable affordable Sydney based VW T5 mechanic who can do this? I can supply all the parts as I have contacts that can help me with all this. Just need someone who knows these T5 to do the job and give me a parts list. The is it worth doing this at all and just dropping a new recengine in it?

3. Am I better to get a mechanic drop another 2nd hand VW engine in it. What other vehicles engines are compatible with a 2010 T5??

Any help greatly appreciated. Not a great day as you can imagine!:mad:

[Umai Naa!!]

It is an unfortunate thing to happen, but if I were in your position, I'd be persuing some sort of goodwill through VW.

[Sunny43.5]

You are right about the timing belt being dragged into the engine loads of reports on the net , now apparently VW have fitted some sort of shield to prevent the belt from getting into the area of concern . If I find it I will repost .

[Umai Naa!!]

The robustness kit only applies to the Amarok at this stage.

[fullcirc]

It is an unfortunate thing to happen, but if I were in your position, I'd be persuing some sort of goodwill through VW.

I'd love to here of anyone who has attempted this and how they went?

[fullcirc]

You are right about the timing belt being dragged into the engine loads of reports on the net , now apparently VW have fitted some sort of shield to prevent the belt from getting into the area of concern . If I find it I will repost .

Thanks. Cant believe it has done so much damage.

[fullcirc]

Everyone take it as a warning! If you own a T5

[Sunny43.5]

I can tell you when something in a VW goes wrong it can be a disaster , when our auto box filter became blocked it took out the whole transmission try $12000 plus from VW but I eneded up getting it done locally at $8600. All because in the first series T5 , VW told owners that transmission never needed to be serviced because it was sealed for life and the filter was inside the "sealed "box .

[Bug_racer]

Have you pulled the head off first ? Sometimes you can get away with just rebuilding the head

[Seano]

I'd love to here of anyone who has attempted this and how they went?
Short of sacrificing the blood of your first born on the dealer's doorstep...no, I can't imagine any other scenario that would attract the goodwill of VW. Since such an act will (at very best) result in your incarceration, it probably won't fix your problem.

Personally, I'd pull the head before making and rash decisions about new engines.

[Umai Naa!!]

I'd allow a VW dealer to diagnose it, for a potential goodwill claim, before attempting any work.

[Sunkist]

these have a nasty habit of this. they also have a habit of smashing the rocker arms, and firing needle rollers through the engine. at that point vw reccomend a full engine. usually a head and a fair few other parts and it can be fixed.

[fullcirc]

Thanks

[Rebuild]

also may bend conrods i have heard


Everyone take it as a warning! If you own a T5.1
fixed

T5 2.5's are immune from this (belt failure)

[Transporter]

The lesson from this is that the accessories belt should be always checked during regular servicing and replaced as needed. The same happens to other brands, Mitsubishi V6 engines and Kia come quickly to my mind.

So, you just can't blame everything on VW design.

I'm not saying that the bellow applies to the OP but...

I see many car owners extending the servicing intervals and even skipping some, doing their own oil changes and calling it their "own servicing". Where this falls short is the luck of knowledge and experience which can lead to very expensive repairs later.

My advice, if you have the complete service record, ideally done by the same place for a very long time. Ask them to explain, why they didn't replace the worn-out accessories belt?
Which would prevent the damage to your engine.



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[Umai Naa!!]

Unfortunately the belt itself isn't entirely the problem.

The design of the lower cover isn't adequate for the job.

[REVHE4D]

The robustness kit only applies to the Amarok at this stage.
I had my robustness kit installed last year when I had my timing belt done, on my T5. The dealer rang me up and said we recommend you have this installed as a extra, seeing as it was already having the belt and water pump done.
Cost me a extra $480 .
This tells me Vw know about this issue.

My kit included covers and beefed up other components, I was told, I think Pulley and guides are more robust.

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[Sunny43.5]

Sounds like VW new about the problem and told dealers to inform customers of an upgrade but slugged the customers for their own design flaw , as was pointed out elsewhere seems VW use their customers to test their products . I saw a report in todays Cars Guide in the paper about timing belt failures in a certain car , as they said if you have a chain driven timing system then the worst that could occur would be a slipped link resulting in a lumpy idle . Rubber Timing belt failure and bingo there goes pistons valves all in one almighty smashem up derby . I know our old T5 is a chain driven and it seems more noisy but at least I can be financially better off over time not having to worry about failure and changing it every 90.000 From what I have read about it's not so much the belt failing but the result of the failure will mean the belt gets dragged into some area of the engine which then does the damage , So for the dealer to offer the Robust Kit would not stop a belt from failing just stops it from doing more damage if the belt were to fail . VW should fit this part free of charge because if they have the kit its an admission of a mistake in design in the first place .

[REVHE4D]

Makes me feel like we have all become Beta testers. And we are paying for the privilege.

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[Sunny43.5]

Agree with you about being testers VW made a similar mistake thinking the auto's on the first T5's never needed servicing and compounded the problem by putting the filter inside . By 2010 they built a new auto and the filter was placed on the outside and they decided after all that they did need to be serviced every 60.000 makes you wonder .

[Umai Naa!!]

Most convential automatic transmissions have the filter inside.

[Sunny43.5]

True but VW sold theirs as "sealed for life" now no where in our manual did it say what is "Life " . A manufacturer should give an expectancy of how long the fluid will retain is viscocity before it starts to decay , and then why put a vital component like a filter inside and tell dealers it cannot be changed as they do not allow the dealers to open the box !! it does not make logical sense .
Most convential automatic transmissions have the filter inside.

[Umai Naa!!]

ZZE122R Corolla has a filled for life auto trans. Runs a Toyota-specific oil, and has an internal filter, that can be accessed by removing the pan, once the oil is drained. Failures aren't that common.

Transmission is made by Aisin, who also make the T5 auto...

Explain that.

[Sunny43.5]

You missed the point an I agree that yes the sump pan can be removed but when you are not privy to other information the dealer has you at their mercy . I was told that they would never remove the sump as VW told them not to .

[wanderingwilson]

Hi Guys, not sure if this thread is still about engines but my 2011 4motion had exactly the same failure 2 weeks ago. The big difference is that mine had a new engine fitted 30000 km ago under a 70% goodwill from VW. That was at 115000 km and related to high oil consumption. I was happy with that outcome but to have it back in the Dealers now with another catastrophic failure is devastating given the previous total repair bill exceeded $21 k. As you can imagine there is a lot of wrangling going on and I will keep the forum informed. I am very positive who won't be paying for this debacle, ME !
Fullcirc, feel free to pm me if I can be of any help or advice. I do know that that there is a CFCA engine with only 30000km available on the net in Melbourne.
Wish me luck people !

[Sunny43.5]

I wonder if the "robust kit "was fitted to your new engine at the time of replacement , plus failing at only 30000 kays after replacement is a bit hard to accept any warning that there was a problem noises etc .

[LogicprObe]

Hi Guys, not sure if this thread is still about engines but my 2011 4motion had exactly the same failure 2 weeks ago. The big difference is that mine had a new engine fitted 30000 km ago under a 70% goodwill from VW. That was at 115000 km and related to high oil consumption. I was happy with that outcome but to have it back in the Dealers now with another catastrophic failure is devastating given the previous total repair bill exceeded $21 k. As you can imagine there is a lot of wrangling going on and I will keep the forum informed. I am very positive who won't be paying for this debacle, ME !
Fullcirc, feel free to pm me if I can be of any help or advice. I do know that that there is a CFCA engine with only 30000km available on the net in Melbourne.
Wish me luck people !

What happened?
Did they come to the party or what?

[Sunny43.5]

So when the first engine was replaced did they fit the Robust kit or was it still standard , because it seems to me that they should have offered it at the time . When we picked up our new T5 in 2012 I was alarmed at the salesman who told me that their dealership had a "Pitstop 'system to offer customers a free refill of oil if it needed it between services . From some reports some VW models are rather thirsty when it comes to oil consumption , I can accept that sort of thing with cars 40 years ago but with modern technology oil consumption should not be an issue .

[Transporter]

Sunny, the issue is not related only to VAG engines, many others use a lot of oil between the oil changes. Some use even lighter and more expensive engine oils, like 0w20 or 0w16. :cool:

[Sunny43.5]

Forgive me I am old school , I just can't get my mind around some of todays methodology . Engines that use excessive oil from brand new ! auto transmissions that are sealed and owners told they don't need to be serviced . How much other stuff is out there waiting to unleash itself upon us unsuspecting motorists .

[LogicprObe]

It all started with the ball joints...................

[Craigs902]

This might help but it's in the U.K.
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