Penrite Oil

[phaeton]

Thanks. I've got one:

Do Penrite have an oil that is approved by VW for both 504/507 AND 506.01 ? This would be suitable for all modern VWs, even the early R5 engines in T5s and Touaregs that Transporter mentioned above.

Enviro 5W30 has approval

Approved oil for Volkswagen/Audi diesel engines and direct injection petrol engines calling for Longlife III Type (VW 504.00/507.00 approved) engine oils.
SAE 5W-30, VW 504.00/507.00 ACEA A3/B4/C3

We use Penrite at work and have had no probs.

I used another brand name in my Karmann and it played up

No probs with Penrite though.

[brad]

Phaeton, while your answer is correct, it leaves out the important, relevant information from the TDS, as I believe the 506.01 spec is somewhat unique (ie: it isn't superseded by 507.00)

INDUSTRY SPECIFICATIONS
Penrite Enviro Plus 5W-30 meets the performance
requirements of:
VW 504.00/507.00 (approved)
VW 505.01 (2005 update), 506.01

[Jmac]

Enviro + 5w30 is the only Penrite oil for these engines. Polo Gti Hpr5 is the oil and 2.0fsi again its back to enviro+.
Treg depends on engine some are Enviro+ 0W40 which is the R5 engine 06-09 and HPRD5 for the R5 04-06
Cheers
Jmac

[Diesel_vert]

Do Penrite have an oil that is approved by VW for both 504/507 AND 506.01 ? This would be suitable for all modern VWs, even the early R5 engines in T5s and Touaregs that Transporter mentioned above.

Unfortunately no oil on the market has or ever had both approvals. It's either "503.00/506.00/506.01" or "504.00/507.00".

All diesel vehicles fitted with R5 (5 cylinder) and 5.0ltr V10 engines and manufactured prior to 1 January 2006, cannot use oils meeting Volkswagen standard 507 00 even if equipped with a DPF. These engines should use oils meeting Volkswagen standard 506 01 (eg. Castrol Professional Longtec LongLife II 0W-30) for both LongLife and Time and Distance servicing regimes.

To date, Penrite have no oil that is 506.01 approved. But then there are only 25 oils in the world that meet this spec.

[gregozedobe]

Thanks for that info guys. There are always discussions about official VW approvals for 506.01 (as opposed to the oil maker claiming their oil "meets/complies/exceeds the standard"). I guess if the VW approval process was cheaper/less complicated more oil manufacturers/blenders would bother to jump through VW's approval hoops.

I'm guessing that now that all new VAG TDI engines are designed for VW 507 that there will be less incentive for oil manufacturers/blenders to continue to make 506.01 in the future.

Quite a few people believe that VW 507 is OK for the few engines where 506.01 is specified, but if you have an older R5 engine and are a stickler for following the handbook (ie 506.01) your choices are likely to become more and more limited (and probably more and more expensive) as the years pass.

[Transporter]

In my T5's owner's manual there is VW505.01 as well as 506.01 (08.2004 made T5 AXE engine).

[Jmac]

Unfortunately no oil on the market has or ever had both approvals. It's either "503.00/506.00/506.01" or "504.00/507.00".




To date, Penrite have no oil that is 506.01 approved. But then there are only 25 oils in the world that meet this spec.

HPR Diesel 5 to be used on engines prior to 06 and is 506.00/506.01 only with regards to VW. its alo a global DLD-2/3 which is for the Landie TD5 and the rover TD6.
Cheers
Jmac
Just off the topic a wee bit but looking at the 09 product list here, they have a wide range, lot more than i thought and i see they have been wise to steer away from the Audi CVT.
They do Sonax car care products , anyone get any feedback on it????

[Diesel_vert]

I'll say this first - NO oil submitted to Volkswagen for certification has ever had approvals for both "503.00/506.00/506.01" and "504.00/507.00". It is always one or the other. And strictly speaking, 506.01 never appears by itself, it is always grouped as above for formally approved oils.

Of course, oil makers are free to claim it "meets or exceeds" any oil spec as long as they're confident it would pass, should it undergo the relevant tests.

TO DATE, the only Penrite oil that has been formally approved by Volkswagen is Enviro+ 5W-30 and only for "504.00/507.00" (people with warranties, take note).


But my main point is - for owners with pre-2006 R5 and V10 TDI engines, this is all moot because since you're no longer under warranty, it won't matter whether or not a particular lubricant has been formally submitted for approval. As long as the oil maker is confident it will "meet or exceed" 506.01, then the onus lies with the oil maker, not Volkswagen anymore.

So here goes my theory - if Penrite* are absolutely confident that, if it were to undergo the relevant tests, Enviro+ 5W-30 (or HPR Diesel 5 5W-40) would meet 506.01, then I think it's okay to use it in pre-2006 R5 and V10 TDI engines. They wouldn't print it on the bottle willy-nilly because if the engine were to fail from deficient lubrication, Penrite* would be obliged to repair it (and not Volkswagen, since the warranty has expired). Thoughts?


*This also applies to other boutique oils such as Amsoil, Neo Synthetics, Red Line, Royal Purple, etc who are famous for excellent performance yet never submit them for manufacturer approvals.

[gregozedobe]

In my T5's owner's manual there is VW505.01 as well as 506.01 (08.2004 made T5 AXE engine).

Given the problems some early R5 engines had with premature wear on cams/followers I would be only using 506.01 or 507.00, not 505.01 if I had an early (non-DPF) R5 engine. But that is only my opinion, my R5 has a DPF so it is 507.00 only for mine (Late Oct 2006 build BPC engine).

[Transporter]

Given the problems some early R5 engines had with premature wear on cams/followers I would be only using 506.01 or 507.00, not 505.01 if I had an early (non-DPF) R5 engine. But that is only my opinion, my R5 has a DPF so it is 507.00 only for mine (Late Oct 2006 build BPC engine).

Yeah, I know Grego,
but I have more trust in VW505.01 approved ELF Solaris than any other oil that meets or is made to VW 506.01 or 507.00 specs. (Penrite HPR5 Diesel 5W40 and similar).

and should it come to it, that there is no longer VW506.01 oil to buy, we will have to start using 507.00 oils or what I call “a fake” 506.01 oils. In that case I would go with ELF Solaris or Penrite HPR5 Diesel 5W40 and the dose of LiquiMoly MOS2 additive.

Generally I’m against additives in oils but in the case of VW R5 engine I use LiquiMoly additive from 64000km on, in my engine. I hope, I never need to prematurely replace the camshaft and rockers.